The radial schrodinger equation

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The discussion revolves around solving the radial Schrödinger equation for the hydrogen atom, specifically to demonstrate that the radial probability density of the 1s level has its maximum value at the Bohr radius (a0). The scope includes homework-related queries, technical explanations, and conceptual clarifications regarding quantum mechanics.

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  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in solving the radial Schrödinger equation and seeks advice on how to proceed with the homework problem.
  • Another participant suggests that instead of solving the equation, the wave function could be looked up in a textbook, noting that solving it is complex and typically reserved for advanced studies.
  • A participant mentions finding a definition for the radial wave function in their textbook and successfully derives the probability density function.
  • One participant cautions that radial probability functions can contain minima and emphasizes the need to compute the second derivative to confirm the nature of the critical points.
  • Another participant counters that for the 1s level, second derivatives may not be necessary, implying that the probability function does not exhibit minima in this specific case.
  • A suggestion is made to refer to a specific book that contains hydrogen radial wave functions, providing a link for access.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether it is necessary to solve the radial Schrödinger equation or if looking up the wave function is sufficient. There is also a disagreement regarding the necessity of checking for minima in the context of the 1s level probability function.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference boundary conditions and specific mathematical forms related to the radial wave function, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the applicability of certain methods and the completeness of the textbook resources.

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Hi,
I'm doing a homework problem in my modern physics class and I'm stuck at a point. The question is "Show that the radial probability density of the 1s level in hydrogen has
its maximum value at r = a0, where a0 is the Bohr radius"

I know that the radial Schrödinger equation will give me the part of the answer that I need. I know that ψ(r,θ,phi) is found by separation of variables and that once I find ψ I can find the probability at any r by using

P(r)dr = abs(ψ)^2dV = (abs(ψ)^2)*4∏(r^2)dr

I know what my r is. My problem is solving the radial Schrödinger equation. I have no idea what to do. The book gives boundary conditions: lim(R(r)) r-->∞ = 0 and the angular components must be periodic (f(θ) = f(θ+2∏n))

Thanks in advance for any advice,

-MMM
 
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Are you really required to solve the radial Schrödinger equation for this exercise, instead of looking up the appropriate wave function from a table that your textbook probably has? Solving the radial equation is messy (it involves associated Laguerre polynomials), and you generally see the gory details only at the advanced undergraduate or even graduate level, not in an introductory modern physics textbook.
 
There is no table in the textbook. I think need to find P(r) and find the maximum. There's no simpler way to solve the radial Schrödinger equation?
 
Which textbook are you using?
 
University Physics with Modern Physics by Young and Freedman
12th edition
 
Ok, I found a simple definition in terms of a0 for the radial wave function in the textbook. It was in one of the examples, but not explicitly shown in the main text, so it took some extra searching.

I used:
dP = (4(r^2)*e^(-2r/a0))/a0^3dr

and solved for dP/dr.

After that I just had to set dP/dr to find the maximum probability (probability functions contain no minima), and voila! It equaled a0

Thanks for the help guys,

-MMM
 
Radial probability functions do generally contain minima. It's thus compulsory to compute the second derivative for the probability density at the value you found to check whether you have a minimum, maximum or saddle point.
 
dextercioby said:
Radial probability functions do generally contain minima. It's thus compulsory to compute the second derivative for the probability density at the value you found to check whether you have a minimum, maximum or saddle point.

Oh you're right. They do. But not for the 1s level. So in the case of that problem I didn't have to worry about second derivatives.
 

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