The Science Behind Ripples in a Moving Cup

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The discussion centers on the phenomenon of ripples formed in a cup of water when the cup is slid across a table. Participants explore the underlying mechanics of this occurrence, considering aspects of vibration, force application, and the nature of the ripples produced. The scope includes conceptual understanding and technical reasoning related to fluid dynamics and vibration theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that sliding the cup excites modes of vibration in the water, similar to plucking a guitar string or hitting a drum.
  • Another participant describes the process of the cup sticking and releasing on the table, suggesting that this affects the frequency of vibrations and thus the ripples produced in the water.
  • There is a suggestion that the vibrations in the cup may not be uniform, with a later reply acknowledging that while the vibrations are approximately uniform, there may be flex and deformation in the cup's bottom affecting the symmetry of the ripples.
  • One participant speculates that if the frequency of the skips were decreased, it might be possible to observe variations in the ripples more clearly, indicating that the vibrations are not truly uniform.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the uniformity of vibrations within the cup and the nature of the ripples produced. While some acknowledge the approximate uniformity, others challenge this assumption, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact characteristics of the vibrations and their effects on the ripples.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention factors such as the rigidity of the cup and the speed of the vibrations, which may influence the observed ripples. The discussion does not resolve these complexities or assumptions regarding the physical properties involved.

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Hello members!

I was dining at Tin Star and I noticed very fast, centralized ripples when sliding my cup across the table... is this a simple phenomenon or is there a basic law I am missing here? http://youtu.be/jmf21UBXMnk
 
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Hi bbjs, wecome to PF!

You're simply exciting modes of vibration of the surface of the water. It's not much different from plucking a guitar string or, better analogy, hitting a drum.
 
notice in the video that the cup does not slide smoothly across the surface of the table. the cup is sticking to the table, then losing its grip, and then sticking again after having moved a certain distance...and this process keeps repeating itself so long as someone or something applies a continuous force to the cup (thus imparting a particular velocity to the cup as it "slides" along). increase the force applied to the cup, and its velocity across the surface of the table increases, as does the frequency of the vibrations caused by the cup's "sticking and releasing" as it slides along. it is these vibrations that make the concentric ripples on the surface of the water in the cup. b/c the entire bottom of the cup sticks and releases at the same time, the vibrations work their way through the cup symmetrically, resulting in symmetric ripples on the surface of the water in the cup.
 
94JZA80 said:
b/c the entire bottom of the cup sticks and releases at the same time, the vibrations work their way through the cup symmetrically, resulting in symmetric ripples on the surface of the water in the cup.
I don't think one can assume that the vibrations are uniform in the cup.
 
DrClaude said:
I don't think one can assume that the vibrations are uniform in the cup.

quite right...i should have been more specific in my description and said that the vibrations are approximately uniform such that the ripples on the surface of the water approximately represent concentric circles.

surely there is some flex and deformation in the bottom of the cup as it "skips" along the table b/c it is far from rigid...but, as evidenced by the surface ripples themselves, the duration of the cup's deformation and journey back to equilibrium during each "skip" is small enough (and happens quickly enough) that the individual vibrations imparted by each skip travel up the sides of the cup approximately in sync, causing ripples on the surface to approximate the appearance of concentric rings. I'm sure if we could decrease the frequency of the skips and slow down the vibrations enough, we could more easily track the movement of the surface ripples with the naked eye...and perhaps we could see some parts of each ring reach the center sooner than other parts - a giveaway that, as you pointed out, the vibrations aren't truly uniform.
 

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