The sequence 1/n not convergent?

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The discussion centers on the convergence of the sequence 1/n within the set of positive real numbers, exploring definitions related to sequences and series, as well as the implications of boundedness and convergence criteria.

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  • Some participants assert that the sequence 1/n does not converge in the set of positive real numbers because its limit, zero, is not positive.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding definitions in Rudin's Analysis, specifically the characterization of the set of natural numbers as the range of the sequence.
  • Another participant clarifies that the range of a sequence should be defined as the set of its values, not the domain, and that the definition of a bounded sequence is standard when using the correct definition of range.
  • A participant notes that the boundedness of the sequence is not a new concept but emphasizes that interesting discussions about convergence arise when considering bounded sequences.
  • There is mention of the "r test" theorem, which states conditions under which the series \(\sum n^{r}\) converges, and highlights that \(\sum 1/n\) is a borderline case that diverges according to the integral test.
  • Another participant points out that the discussion is about a sequence rather than a series, and provides a reasoning involving partial sums to argue that the series diverges.

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Participants express differing views on the definitions used in the context of sequences and series, with some clarifying misunderstandings while others challenge the relevance of certain arguments. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these definitions on the convergence of the sequence.

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There are limitations in the definitions being used, particularly regarding the distinction between the domain and range of a sequence, which may affect the understanding of boundedness and convergence. Additionally, the relationship between the sequence and series is not fully resolved.

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I read in Rudin's Analysis that sequence 1/n failes to converge in the set of positive real numbers. How comes?
 
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Because zero, the limit of the sequence, is not positive, but all of its elements are.
 
Ok, thanks. But I am a bit confused with some of his definitions. He calls the set n={1,2,3,...} the range of the sequence, and then says that the sequence is bounded if its range is bounded. Is this standard definition? I'm not sure if I've chosen the right book to brush on my maths.
 
That's not standard. I don't have access to a copy of Rudin at the moment, but I suspect you've misread something. {1,2,3,...} (i.e., the set of natural numbers) is the domain of the sequence. The range is {an|n is a natural number} (i.e., the set of sequence values). With the correct definition of the range of a sequence, the definition you gave of a bounded sequence is standard.
 
Yes, you are right. I missread. Everything is fine and this is an excellent book. Thank you.
 
Note that to say the sequence is bounded if the range is bounded is the same thing in this case. Nothing new beyond definitions is said here. However, interesting and new things regarding the convergence of a sequence can be said if the sequence is bounded.

The sequence/range is bounded if there is some number that is greater than all elements contained within the sequence/range.
 
There is a theorem (the "r test") that says that \sum n^{r} converges if and only if r< 1 (or that \sum 1/n^r converges if and only if r> 1.)

So "\sum 1/n" is a borderline case: it diverges by the integral test:
\int_1^\infty dx/x does not converge so the series does not converge.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
There is a theorem (the "r test") that says that \sum n^{r} converges if and only if r< 1 (or that \sum 1/n^r converges if and only if r> 1.)

So "\sum 1/n" is a borderline case: it diverges by the integral test:
\int_1^\infty dx/x does not converge so the series does not converge.

You might run into a circular argument depending upon how you have defined/proved the properties of ln(x). The proof that ln(x) ->00 may or may not depend upon 1/n diverging to infinity.
 
But, we're talking about a sequence, not a series. Besides, for the series, look at the partial sum:
<br /> S_{2^{n}} = \frac{1}{1} + \frac{1}{2} + \left( \frac{1}{3} + \frac{1}{4} \right) + \ldots + \left( \frac{1}{2^{n - 1} + 1} + \ldots + \frac{1}{2^{n}} \right) \ge 1 + \frac{1}{2} + \frac{2}{4} + \ldots + \frac{2^{n - 1}}{2^{n}} = \frac{n + 1}{2}<br />

Since the sequence on the right is unbounded, so is the subsequence of partial sums on the left. Hence, the series is divergent.
 

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