The singular points on f = x^2 y - x y on a plane

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The discussion revolves around identifying the singular points of the polynomial function f(x,y) = x^2 y - xy. Participants explore the conditions under which the partial derivatives vanish and debate the implications of these conditions for determining singular points.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the partial derivatives f_x and f_y and identifies potential singular points based on the conditions f_x = 0 and f_y = 0.
  • Another participant argues that x = 1/2 does not correspond to a singular point since f_y is never zero at that value.
  • It is suggested that the identified points should be verified through additional methods to confirm their status as singular points.
  • A different approach is proposed, factoring the partial derivatives to clarify the conditions for singular points, leading to the conclusion that the singular points are (0, 0) and (1, 0).
  • A participant expresses gratitude for the clarification provided by others in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the status of the point x = 1/2 as a singular point. Some participants assert it is not singular, while others explore its implications without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the identified singular points are based on the conditions derived from the partial derivatives, but the verification of these points may depend on further analysis.

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Let f(x,y) = x^2 y - xy = x(x-1)y be a polynomial in k[x,y].

I am looking for the singular subset of this function.

Taking the partials, we obtain

f_x = 2xy - y

f_y = x^2 - x.

In order to find the singular subset, both partials (with respect to x and with respect to y) must vanish. So we obtain that

f_x = 2xy - y = 0

which implies x = 1/2 or y = 0,

while

f_y = x^2 - x = 0

implies

x = 0 or x =1.

Drawing a picture of f, it is clear that the two points (0,0) and (1,0) are singular points, but what does x = 1/2 tell us? Is this point supposed to be a singular point as well?
 
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f_y = x^2 - x = 0
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what does x = 1/2 tell us? Is this point supposed to be a singular point as well?
No. f_y is never zero at x = 1/2.
 
Applying this method generates the POSSIBLE singular points. You should check if they really are singular points by other means.
 
Thank you haruspex and Millennial. That clarifies things!
 
A some what better method would be to look at f_x= 2xy- y= (2x- 1)y= 0 and say, as you do, that either x= 1/2 or y= 0.

Now look at f_y= x^2- x= x(x- 1)= 0 and use the values you already have. IF x= 1/2, that is impossible but IF y= 0, x can be 0 or 1. The singular points are (0, 0) and (1, 0).
 
Ah, that's a good argument. Thanks HallsofIvy!
 

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