The theory of Cosmological Relativity by Dr. Moshe Carmeli.

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The discussion centers around the theory of Cosmological Relativity developed by Dr. Moshe Carmeli, which is presented as an extension of Einstein's relativity on a cosmological scale. Participants explore its implications, predictions, and the reception of the theory within the scientific community, touching on topics such as dark matter, gravitational waves, and the anomalous acceleration of Pioneer spacecrafts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in discussing Cosmological Relativity and seeks expert opinions on its correctness and implications.
  • Another participant appreciates Carmeli's theory for not requiring dark matter and suggests that its 5D version accounts for the non-detection of gravitational waves.
  • A different participant critiques the theory, stating that it is "completely out in left field," while acknowledging the evidence for gravitational waves from binary pulsar observations.
  • One participant argues that while gravitational waves are part of Carmeli's theory, they are quickly dumped, which aligns with their non-detection.
  • Another participant recommends Dr. Carmeli's book on spinors as valuable.
  • Concerns are raised about the validity of Carmeli's proposals in light of explanations for the anomalous Pioneer acceleration, questioning whether proponents of such theories retract their claims.
  • A participant defends Carmeli's theory, stating it is based on the geometrization of Hubble's law and asks for clarification on how disproving the Pioneer acceleration data relates to Cosmological Relativity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of support and skepticism regarding Cosmological Relativity. Some appreciate its innovative aspects, while others challenge its validity and relevance, leading to an unresolved discussion with multiple competing views.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the implications of gravitational wave detection and the relationship between Carmeli's theory and the anomalous Pioneer acceleration. The discussion reflects differing interpretations of evidence and theoretical frameworks.

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Hello everyone. I was hoping that the theory of Cosmological relativity developed by Moshe Carmeli could be discussed in this forum. The theory is described as an extension of einsteins relativity on a cosmological scale. It is said to complement regular relativity and to get correct predictions. I would like to know the opinion of some experts regarding this theory and whether it is correct.
Here are some links discussing the theory in detail:

Cosmological Relativity: A New Theory ofCosmology
http://www.springerlink.com/content/u22301381p5378j4/

Cosmological special relativity
http://www.springerlink.com/content/t282061121541825/

Aspects of Cosmological Relativity
http://www.springerlink.com/content/gv34v25x327t4044/

Value of the Cosmological Constant in the Cosmological Relativity Theory
http://www.springerlink.com/content/u027705rx233106v/

On the Anomalous Acceleration of Pioneer Spacecrafts
http://www.springerlink.com/content/n023736u04q4204r/

Five-dimensional cosmological theory of unified space, time and velocity
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0920563203021182

Any thoughts or comments?

Thanks.
 
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What a pity that this subject does not arise much interest. I like Carmeli's theory for a number of reasons, e.g. the fact that it does not need dark matter:

http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0511756

and that in its 5D version Gravitational waves are dumped so this is consistent with the fact they have never been observed by our antennas:

http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0603067

Carmeli was also a very polite and humble person.
 
Yes, at one time I knew Moshe and he was, as you say a very nice guy. Unfortunately his work is completely out in left field.

By the way, although gravitational waves have not yet been detected directly, good evidence for them is provided by the slowing of the binary pulsar PSR B1913+16. This work won the 1993 Nobel Prize in Physics.
 
Yes, the slowing of binary pulsar is a proof of the existence of gravitational radiation. But this is in accordance with Cosmological Relativity, Carmeli's theory has gravitational waves, so they subtract energy to the sistem, etc... but CR has them fastly dumping so they cannot be detected here. This is in accordance to what we actually don't measure. I remember a conference in 1996 where everybody believed they would have been detected in afew years, but this was not the case. Will space interferometers measure somethin? If hey don't then it will be time to think about reasons why GW don't propagate.
 
Dr. Carmeli's book on spinors is very much to be recommended in my opinion.
 
Such a shame. I think this theory at least deserves to be discussed.
 
Do people who propose wrong stuff ever take back their proposal? The so-called "anomalous" Pioneer acceleration has now been sufficiently explained. So do people like MOshe Carmeli who proposed some off-the-wall ideas take them back and say "Oops!"?

Zz.
 
Sorry, I don't know why possible explanations of the anomalous pioneer data should disprove Carmeli's cosmological relativity, which as far as I know is based in an axiomatic way on the geometrization of Hubble's law. Would you please explain it to me?

In any case Carmeli is dead, and certainly he cannot say "oops! I was wrong" if disproved. But having get to know him (even if only by email) I am quite sure he would simply do that if it was the case.
 
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