The unusual motion of stars in galaxies

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The discussion centers on the unusual motion of stars in galaxies, particularly focusing on the dynamics of galactic rotation and the effects of gravity. Participants explore concepts related to rotational motion, gravity, and potential analogies to other physical phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the uniform rotation of galaxies might imply that gravity's effects are altered by speed, comparing it to a motorcyclist on a wonder wall.
  • Another participant counters that galaxies do not rotate like records, explaining that in a flat rotation curve, stars further out take longer to orbit despite having the same speed as those closer in.
  • A participant discusses the mechanics of a car on a wall, noting that the centrifugal effect and friction prevent the car from sliding down, but argues that these effects do not apply to stars in galaxies.
  • Reference is made to previous discussions on the topic, indicating that the mechanisms and answers have not changed over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of galactic rotation and the role of gravity, with no consensus reached on the implications of these motions or the validity of the analogies presented.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of gravity and motion in galaxies are not fully explored, and there is a lack of resolution regarding the comparison to other physical systems.

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Ive been lying in bed this morning wondering about the unusual motion of stars in galaxies.The whole disc rotating like a record at the same speed.Does it mean that the effects of gravity are simply altered by speed?Much like a wonder-wall.So the faster the speed of the object,or stars,the less gravity pulls downwards and the more it pulls sideways.Holding the stars in place.Just like a motor cyclist on a wonder wall?
 
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Wallsy said:
Ive been lying in bed this morning wondering about the unusual motion of stars in galaxies.The whole disc rotating like a record at the same speed.Does it mean that the effects of gravity are simply altered by speed?Much like a wonder-wall.So the faster the speed of the object,or stars,the less gravity pulls downwards and the more it pulls sideways.Holding the stars in place.Just like a motor cyclist on a wonder wall?

 
Wallsy said:
Ive been lying in bed this morning wondering about the unusual motion of stars in galaxies.The whole disc rotating like a record at the same speed.
Read up on the effects of Dark Matter.

I take it you didn't like the answers you received over a year ago in

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/the-bizarre-rotation-of-galaxies.931615/

The answers and the mechanism haven't changed and just asking the question again isn't going to make them change.
 
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Wallsy said:
Ive been lying in bed this morning wondering about the unusual motion of stars in galaxies.The whole disc rotating like a record at the same speed.Does it mean that the effects of gravity are simply altered by speed?Much like a wonder-wall.So the faster the speed of the object,or stars,the less gravity pulls downwards and the more it pulls sideways.Holding the stars in place.Just like a motor cyclist on a wonder wall?

1. Galaxies do not rotate like a record. With a record, the parts further out have to travel faster in order to complete a revolution because they have to travel a larger circle in the same time. In galaxies with a flat rotation curve, the velocities of the stars don't change as you move outward in the disk. Thus the stars further out take longer to orbit the galaxy than the ones closer in, having to travel a longer distance at the same speed.

2. There are a couple of effects in play with the car on the wall. The wall is tilted at an angle so some of the outward centrifugal effect is given a upward component which works against gravity( which remains in full force and does not pull down any less). Then there is the friction between the car tires and wall. For the car to slip down the wall, the car would have to skid on its tires sideways against this friction. The outward centrifugal effect (or centripetal acceleration) increases the force between tire and wall, which increases the friction between them, making it so that the car has less of a tendency to succumb to the relentless pull of gravity and slide down the wall.
Neither of these effects have any bearing on stars orbiting in a galaxy.
 
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The Potato Radius: a Lower Minimum Size for Dwarf Planets

That interesting article explains the relationship between gravity, rotation and shapes.

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phinds said:
I take it you didn't like the answers you received over a year ago in

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/the-bizarre-rotation-of-galaxies.931615/

The answers and the mechanism haven't changed and just asking the question again isn't going to make them change.
With the combination of the replies to the previous thread and the good follow-up answers in this new thread, the OP has plenty of reading to do. Thread will remain closed.
 

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