The unusual motion of stars in galaxies

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The discussion centers on the unusual motion of stars in galaxies, specifically addressing the misconception that galaxies rotate like records. It clarifies that in galaxies with flat rotation curves, star velocities remain constant regardless of their distance from the center, leading to longer orbital periods for stars farther out. The conversation also emphasizes that gravity's influence does not diminish with speed, countering the analogy of a motorcycle on a wonder wall. The effects of dark matter on galactic rotation are also highlighted as a crucial area for further exploration.

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  • Understanding of galactic dynamics and rotation curves
  • Familiarity with the concept of dark matter
  • Basic knowledge of gravitational forces and centripetal acceleration
  • Awareness of physics analogies, such as the motorcycle on a wall
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  • Research the properties and implications of dark matter in galactic rotation
  • Study the concept of flat rotation curves in galaxies
  • Explore gravitational dynamics and their effects on celestial bodies
  • Examine the physics of centrifugal and centripetal forces in rotating systems
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Ive been lying in bed this morning wondering about the unusual motion of stars in galaxies.The whole disc rotating like a record at the same speed.Does it mean that the effects of gravity are simply altered by speed?Much like a wonder-wall.So the faster the speed of the object,or stars,the less gravity pulls downwards and the more it pulls sideways.Holding the stars in place.Just like a motor cyclist on a wonder wall?
 
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Wallsy said:
Ive been lying in bed this morning wondering about the unusual motion of stars in galaxies.The whole disc rotating like a record at the same speed.Does it mean that the effects of gravity are simply altered by speed?Much like a wonder-wall.So the faster the speed of the object,or stars,the less gravity pulls downwards and the more it pulls sideways.Holding the stars in place.Just like a motor cyclist on a wonder wall?

 
Wallsy said:
Ive been lying in bed this morning wondering about the unusual motion of stars in galaxies.The whole disc rotating like a record at the same speed.
Read up on the effects of Dark Matter.

I take it you didn't like the answers you received over a year ago in

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/the-bizarre-rotation-of-galaxies.931615/

The answers and the mechanism haven't changed and just asking the question again isn't going to make them change.
 
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Wallsy said:
Ive been lying in bed this morning wondering about the unusual motion of stars in galaxies.The whole disc rotating like a record at the same speed.Does it mean that the effects of gravity are simply altered by speed?Much like a wonder-wall.So the faster the speed of the object,or stars,the less gravity pulls downwards and the more it pulls sideways.Holding the stars in place.Just like a motor cyclist on a wonder wall?

1. Galaxies do not rotate like a record. With a record, the parts further out have to travel faster in order to complete a revolution because they have to travel a larger circle in the same time. In galaxies with a flat rotation curve, the velocities of the stars don't change as you move outward in the disk. Thus the stars further out take longer to orbit the galaxy than the ones closer in, having to travel a longer distance at the same speed.

2. There are a couple of effects in play with the car on the wall. The wall is tilted at an angle so some of the outward centrifugal effect is given a upward component which works against gravity( which remains in full force and does not pull down any less). Then there is the friction between the car tires and wall. For the car to slip down the wall, the car would have to skid on its tires sideways against this friction. The outward centrifugal effect (or centripetal acceleration) increases the force between tire and wall, which increases the friction between them, making it so that the car has less of a tendency to succumb to the relentless pull of gravity and slide down the wall.
Neither of these effects have any bearing on stars orbiting in a galaxy.
 
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The Potato Radius: a Lower Minimum Size for Dwarf Planets

That interesting article explains the relationship between gravity, rotation and shapes.

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phinds said:
I take it you didn't like the answers you received over a year ago in

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/the-bizarre-rotation-of-galaxies.931615/

The answers and the mechanism haven't changed and just asking the question again isn't going to make them change.
With the combination of the replies to the previous thread and the good follow-up answers in this new thread, the OP has plenty of reading to do. Thread will remain closed.
 

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