The value of (b - c) / (c - a)

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The discussion revolves around the equation $$(b-a)^2-4(b-c)(c-a)=0$$ and seeks to explore the relationship between the variables a, b, and c, particularly focusing on the expression $$(b - c) / (c - a)$$.

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  • Participants explore various algebraic manipulations of the original equation, including attempts to express $b-c$ in terms of other variables and to derive relationships between them. Some participants question the utility of their approaches and whether they lead to a clearer understanding of the problem.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to manipulate the equation and derive relationships. Some participants have provided hints and suggestions for alternative approaches, while others have noted specific cases that satisfy the equation. The discussion reflects a mix of algebraic exploration and conceptual questioning without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Participants mention the context of multiple-choice questions and the implications of specific values for a, b, and c, suggesting that certain assumptions about the relationships between these variables are under consideration.

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$$(b-a)^2-4(b-c)(c-a)=0$$
$$b^2-2ab+a^2=4(bc-ab-c^2+ac)$$
$$b^2-2ab+a^2+4ab=4bc-4c^2+4ac$$
$$(b+a)^2-4ac=4c(b-c)$$
$$b-c=\frac{(b+a)^2-4ac}{4c}$$

I don't know how to continue and not even sure what I did is useful.

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I would start from behind. But I have no idea whether this is any better. We want to find a number ##x## such that
\begin{align*}
\dfrac{b-c}{c-a}=x &\Longrightarrow (b-c)=x\cdot (c-a) \\
&\Longrightarrow 4(b-c)^2=4x(b-c)(c-a)=x(b-a)^2
&\Longrightarrow \ldots
\end{align*}
 
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Hint.
##b-a=(b-c)+(c-a)##
 
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Or maybe dividing through by ##(c-a)^2##, to get you a bit closer?
 
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This is the problem with multiple choice. Note that the equality holds if ##b - a## is twice ##b - c## and ##c - a##. I.e. ##c## is halfway between ##a## and ##b##. A simple example is ##a = 0, b = 2, c = 1##.

You don't actually have to show the general case to get a multiple choice question right.
 
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You could arbitrarily set ##a=0, b=1## and solve (the resulting quadratic) for ##c##.

Inelegant - but practical in an exam' situation.
 
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By definition, you already have:
$$\frac{b-c}{c-a}=x$$
Where ##x## is one of the answers.

You then need to transform the other equation into a function of ##x## as well. (@WWGD has given the best hint).

In each of these equations, you will be able to isolate one variable and then get 2 other equations containing ##x##, both - of course - also being equal. Combining these 2 equations should give you a nice equation that should depend exclusively on ##x##.
 
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Hill said:
Hint.
##b-a=(b-c)+(c-a)##
This will give a solution in a few easy steps.
 
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(b-a)^2 - 4(b-c)(c-a) = 0 is equivalent to the statement that the quadratic <br /> x^2 \pm (b - a)x + (b-c)(c-a) = 0 has a repeated root. So we have \begin{split}<br /> 2x &amp;= (b - c) + (c - a) \\<br /> x^2 &amp;= (b - c)(c - a) \end{split} which together imply <br /> ((b- c) - (c - a))^2 = 0 so that (b - c) = (c - a).
 
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pasmith said:
(b-a)^2 - 4(b-c)(c-a) = 0 is equivalent to the statement that the quadratic <br /> x^2 \pm (b - a)x + (b-c)(c-a) = 0 has a repeated root. So we have \begin{split}<br /> 2x &amp;= (b - c) + (c - a) \\<br /> x^2 &amp;= (b - c)(c - a) \end{split} which together imply <br /> ((b- c) - (c - a))^2 = 0 so that (b - c) = (c - a).
Even shorter. Substituting ##(b-c)+(c-a)## for ##(b-a)## leads straight to ##((b-c)-(c-a))^2=0##.
 
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Hill said:
Even shorter. Substituting ##(b-c)+(c-a)## for ##(b-a)## leads straight to ##((b-c)-(c-a))^2=0##.
That said, noting that (by inspection!), ##c - a = b - c## solves the equation is simplest of all!
 
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I understand.

Thank you very much for all the help and explanation fresh_42, Hill, WWGD, PeroK, Steve4Physics, jack action, SammyS, pasmith
 
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