The Von Mises stress equation on wikipedia does not balance out

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The discussion revolves around the Von Mises stress equation as presented on Wikipedia, with participants questioning its validity and exploring the definitions and relationships between stress components, particularly focusing on the distinction between Von Mises stress and deviatoric stress.

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  • One participant asserts that the equation for Von Mises stress does not balance out when expanded, leading to confusion about its validity.
  • Another participant suggests that the variable 's' represents deviatoric stress, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the terms involved.
  • A later reply questions the definition of SVM, suggesting it may not be Von Mises stress but rather deviatoric stress, creating uncertainty about its intended meaning.
  • Another participant provides the formula for deviatoric stress, indicating that both 's' and 'σ' appear in the relevant equations, which may contribute to the confusion.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation and validity of the Von Mises stress equation, with no consensus reached on the definitions or relationships between the terms involved.

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The Von Mises stress relationship on Wikipedia shows an expanded expression using components is equal to 3/2*s_ij*s_ij but this is not possible.
On Wikipedia for Von Mises stress, it shows the following equation:

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But this does not work out. If I expand the second term I get:

$$ \sigma_v^2 = 1/2[(\sigma_{11}^2-2\sigma_{11}\sigma_{22}+\sigma_{22}^2+\sigma_{22}^2-2\sigma_{22}\sigma_{33}+\sigma_{33}^2+\sigma_{33}^2-2\sigma_{33}\sigma_{11}+\sigma_{11}^2)+6(\sigma_{12}^2+\sigma_{13}^2+\sigma_{23}^2)] $$

$$ \sigma_v^2 = 1/2(2\sigma_{11}^2 + 2\sigma_{22}^2+2\sigma_{33}^2-2\sigma_{11}\sigma_{22}-2\sigma_{22}\sigma_{33}-2\sigma_{33}\sigma_{11}+6\sigma_{12}^2+6\sigma_{13}^2+6\sigma_{23}^2) $$

$$ \sigma_v^2 = \sigma_{11}^2 + \sigma_{22}^2+\sigma_{33}^2-\sigma_{11}\sigma_{22}-\sigma_{22}\sigma_{33}-\sigma_{33}\sigma_{11}+3\sigma_{12}^2+3\sigma_{13}^2+3\sigma_{23}^2 $$

And I don't see how this can be equal to the third term, when expanded equals to:

$$ 3/2s_{ij}s_{ij} = 3/2(\sigma_{11}^2+\sigma_{22}^2+\sigma_{33}^2+\sigma_{12}^2+\sigma_{13}^2+\sigma_{23}^2) $$
 
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Not in a good place to look at this, but I believe s is deviatoric stress.
 
Frabjous said:
Not in a good place to look at this, but I believe s is deviatoric stress.
You are correct! But then, what is the definition of the following?

$$SVM = sqrt(3/2*\sigma_{ij}*\sigma_{ij})$$

sigma is stress. Previously I thought Svm is Von Mises Stress, but now it might be deviatoric stress, s. Then I am not sure what SVM defined as such is supposed to be.
 
sijij-(σkk/3)δij
Both s and σ appear in the equation
 

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