The World Doesn't Revolve Around You

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of mass required for Earth to revolve around a specific subject, exploring the implications of "revolve around" in a physical context. Participants engage with definitions, theoretical scenarios, and the nature of motion and mass in relation to gravitational interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how much mass would be needed for Earth to literally revolve around a subject, prompting a need for precise definitions.
  • Another participant suggests that "revolve around" may need clarification, proposing the term "orbit" as a potential alternative.
  • A participant introduces a scenario involving two objects with the mass of Earth revolving around their center of mass, raising questions about which object revolves around which.
  • One participant asserts that if they are stationary, they are not orbiting anything, leading to a query about the necessary mass in that case.
  • Another participant argues that the concept of being "stationary" is problematic, stating that in a coordinate system centered around oneself, everything would revolve around them regardless of mass.
  • A later reply notes that even the Sun is not stationary, as it is influenced by the gravitational pull of the planets, suggesting that the mass of the Sun alone is insufficient for a stationary reference point.
  • One participant reflects on the idea of the center of mass being within a body, indicating that this needs to be clearly articulated in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of "revolve around," with no consensus reached on the necessary mass or the nature of being stationary in this context.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in assumptions regarding motion, definitions of stationary, and the complexities of gravitational interactions without resolving these issues.

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You know that saying?
"The world doesn't revolve around you"

If by "world" we'll use Earth ... how much mass would one need for the Earth to literally revolve around the subject?

Thanks in advance.
 
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I think you may have to more precisely define "revolve around".
 
Orbit?
Just like the Earth revolved around the sun.
Just like the Earth orbits the sun.
 
Imagine you have two objects mass of the Earth revolving around their center of mass. That means they both revolve around a point lying exactly in the middle between both of them. (For simplicity let's assume they are point masses and they are not destroyed by tidal forces blah blah blah).

Which one revolves around which?
 
Well what if I was stationary. I'm not orbiting around anything.
So if I am not moving, how much mass then?
 
There is no such thing as "stationary". Or, if you want to assume you are stationary and everything happens in a coordinates centered around you, world always revolves around you, no matter what your mass is.

I am afraid you are trying to ignore physical reality and find an answer to ill posed question. There is no answer.
 
The Sun itself is not stationary -- it is being pulled around by the motion of the planets. So even the mass of the Sun is insufficient.
 
I was thinking about something like "center of the mass is inside of the body". But it has to be clearly stated.
 
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