Theory of relativity -- Car and Garage Paradox

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The discussion revolves around the garage paradox in the context of the theory of relativity, specifically analyzing the time difference between two events related to a car and a garage moving relative to each other at a significant fraction of the speed of light.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the calculation of the time difference between two events (A and B) in the garage's rest frame, with attempts to apply the Lorentz transformation. Questions arise regarding the omission of units and the interpretation of the results. There is also discussion about the order of events and the implications of length contraction.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing calculations while others seek clarification on concepts and the correctness of the approach. There is a recognition of the need for diagrams to better understand the scenario, and multiple interpretations of the events are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the answer should be expressed in terms of L0/c, and there is an emphasis on the importance of units in the calculations. The discussion also highlights the challenge of visualizing the problem without relying solely on formulas.

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Homework Statement
Theory of relativity
Relevant Equations
Delta(t)=tA-tB
Hey everyone!

Im new here so im not really familiar with this forum. But nice to meet yal! Btw im not really sure if this problem fits in the "Advanced Phyics Homework Help". But heres my problem:

Assume that the car and the garage in the garage paradox have the same rest length L0
and that they move at a speed of 0.53c relative to each other. Call the event when the front of the car reaches the end of the garage A and the event when the end of the car reaches the beginning of the garage B. What is the time difference delta(t)=tA-tB
between these events in the garage rest system?

Tried to solve it a couple of times and gotten nowhere. I appreciate all the help!
 
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Please show your work in your attempt
 
phinds said:
Please show your work in your attempt
Alright so heres what i did:

stept 1: Lorentz abbreviation

L=L0*sqrt(1−(0.53)^2)=L0*(1−0.2809)=L0sqrt(0.7191)≈L0⋅0.847

Step 2:
Δt=L/v
Δt=L0*0.847/0.53c

Therefore
(0.847/0.53)*(Lo/c)= approx 1.598
 
What happened to ##L_0##?

Is that supposed to be approximately ##1.6## seconds? It's considered very ungroovy to omit units after a numerical quantity.
 
PeroK said:
What happened to ##L_0##?

Is that supposed to be approximately ##1.6## seconds? It's considered very ungroovy to omit units after a numerical quantity.
Sorry, forgot to mention. They want the answere to be in L0/c. So therefor my answere is 1.6*Lo/c
 
More importantly, which event happens first: A or B?
 
PeroK said:
More importantly, which event happens first: A or B?
According to the question? I assume A
 
Groovy2 said:
According to the question? I assume A
Better to check that with a diagram. 1.6 doesn't look right.
 
PeroK said:
Better to check that with a diagram. 1.6 doesn't look right.
I honestly dont know how to solve this more than this. The answere needs to be as a multiple of L0/c
 
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Groovy2 said:
I honestly dont know how to solve this more than this. The answere needs to be as a multiple of L0/c
In the rest frame of the garage, the car is shorter than the garage.
 
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PeroK said:
In the rest frame of the garage, the car is shorter than the garage.
Im very new to this whole theory of relativity, so what does that really mean?
 
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Groovy2 said:
Im very new to this whole theory of relativity, so what does that really mean?
Shorter simply means its length is less. I.e. it fits inside the garage.
 
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PeroK said:
Shorter simply means its length is less. I.e. it fits inside the garage.
Yeah i got that. Am I suppose to draw anything to see the big picture? Im just using formulas at the moment, so thats why i dont really understand what that means
 
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Groovy2 said:
Am I suppose to draw anything to see the big picture? Im just using formulas at the moment, so thats why i dont really understand what that means
Let O be an observer in the garage frame.

A couple of diagrams showing the car’s positions (as seen by O) at events A and B should help.

From the description, it sounds like O should see event B before event A. And that you are being asked to find the time for the car (of contracted length ##L’##) to travel a distance ##L_0 – L’##. This corresponds to the time the car is entirely inside the garage (as measured by O).
 
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