Thermal Conductivity vs U Factor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the relationship between thermal conductivity and U-factor, exploring their definitions, applications, and implications in heat transfer, particularly in the context of building materials like windows. Participants examine how these concepts interact and the practical considerations in their use.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that thermal conductivity is measured in W/(m.K) while U-factor is in W/m² K, indicating that U-factor relates to energy transfer over an area.
  • One participant suggests that for a uniform single material, the U-factor can be approximated as the thermal conductivity multiplied by the material's thickness, although this may not hold for complex structures like windows.
  • Another participant questions whether thermal conductivity multiplied by surface area yields the U-factor, leading to a clarification that the units do not support this equivalence.
  • There is a suggestion that thermal conductivity might need to be divided by a unit depth and multiplied by area to relate it to U-factor, but this is met with confusion regarding the term "it."
  • One participant asserts that thermal conductivity and U-factor are inverses of each other, although this claim is not universally accepted in the discussion.
  • Another participant provides a formula for conductive heat transfer, indicating that U-factor can represent various heat transfer resistances in a system, including conduction and convection.
  • A participant emphasizes the practical utility of U-factor, noting its simplicity in calculating heat losses across different construction types without considering material thickness.
  • There is a mention of confusion between thermal conductivity and R-value, highlighting a need for clarity in terminology among participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between thermal conductivity and U-factor, with some proposing connections while others challenge these ideas. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise mathematical relationships and definitions.

Contextual Notes

Participants exhibit uncertainty about the definitions and applications of thermal conductivity and U-factor, particularly in complex systems involving multiple materials and layers. There are also indications of missing assumptions regarding the context of their use.

Futsal1st
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I understand that thermal conductivity is W/(m.K) and u-factor is W/m² K. Obviously U factor is energy transfer over an area but how does this compare to thermal conductivity?
 
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Futsal1st said:
I understand that thermal conductivity is W/(m.K) and u-factor is W/m² K. Obviously U factor is energy transfer over an area but how does this compare to thermal conductivity?

If the window is a uniform single material, then that material's thermal conductivity is essentially the U factor multiplied by its thickness (ignoring convective effects). But usually windows have internal structure, multiple panes with air gaps, etc., that make the U factor more convenient to use in practice than the thermal conductivity.
 
Thanks for that. So is thermal conductivity multipied by the area of the surface the U Factor (or close as damn to it)?
 
Futsal1st said:
So is thermal conductivity multipied by the area of the surface the U Factor (or close as damn to it)?

No, that doesn't follow. Check the units: W m-1 K-1 multiplied by m2 doesn't give W m-2 K-1.
 
So is it divide by a unit depth (I assume 1000mm) and multiply by area?
 
Futsal1st said:
So is it divide by a unit depth (I assume 1000mm) and multiply by area?

What is "it"?
 
So is thermal conductivity divide by a unit depth (I assume 1000mm) and multiply by area = U factor?
 
Conductive heat transfer in one dimension is q=-kAdT/dt.
In chemeng, U is used as a bundling of (various) heat transfer resistances.
Q= U*A*DT
U can be composed of heat transfer resistances due to conduction of various layers of materials and convection eg representing a building wall as inside surface convection, brick/plaster conduction, insulation conduction, and external convection...etc.

U need basic ht trfr understanding - read a basic text on heat transfer.
 
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U factor is a simpler unit because it ignores the thickness of the material. It makes it much easier to add up the heat losses for walls of different construction, windows etc.. It's purely a practical thing.; you look up the tables of U values and add up the various areas of the room and it will tell you the heat input needed to maintain a given temperature difference.
I did this once when estimating how much heating I'd need in my home but ignored to add the losses due to air exchange. I couldn't believe how small the room radiators would need to be. Then I thought again and got a much higher answer. The man who came to give me an estimate for the job just looked and came up with virtually the same figure I'd spent ages calculating.
 
  • #11
I thought k [(W/(m*K)] was used in the case of conduction, while h [(W/(m^2 * K)] accounts for heat transfer due to force convection.
 
  • #12
Whoops, sorry, I was thinking R-value was the same as thermal conductivity. Gotta read better...
 

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