Thermodynamic Potentials in Proper Variables

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves deriving thermodynamic potentials (H, F, and G) from a given internal energy expression for a solid, specifically in terms of proper variables. The context is rooted in thermodynamics and the use of Maxwell's relations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of Maxwell's relations and the need to express volume in terms of entropy and pressure. There are attempts to derive pressure and temperature from the internal energy expression, with some participants questioning the clarity of the relations and their applicability.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different approaches to derive the necessary thermodynamic potentials. Some guidance has been offered regarding the derivation of pressure and temperature, but there is no explicit consensus on the best method to proceed.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the application of Maxwell's relations and the need for proper variable expressions. There is mention of corrections made to earlier statements, indicating ongoing refinement of understanding.

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Homework Statement


A solid has energy (for one mole):

##U_1 =\frac{S^2}{a_1}+b_1V(V-2V_0)##

Write H, F, and G in terms of their proper variables.

Homework Equations



Maxwell's relations and
H=U+PV
F=U-TS
G=U-TS+PV

The Attempt at a Solution


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H, for example:

I have tried writing dV as a sum of partial derivatives times total differentials:

##dV=\frac{\partial V}{\partial S}dS+\frac{\partial V}{\partial P}dP##

I have no idea how to get V in terms of S and P.

I have similar problems for the other cases.

Thanks for any help!
 
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Under relevant equations you mentioned Maxwells equations.
 
Maxwell's relations. I still don't know how that gives anything concrete.
 
Well, probably the first step is to find pressure as ##p=-\frac{\partial U}{\partial V}|_S## and an analogous relation for temperature. For the rest, you don't even need differentials.
 
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DrDu said:
Well, probably the first step is to find pressure as ##p=\frac{\partial U}{\partial S}|_V## and an analogous relation for temperature. For the rest, you don't even need differentials.

How did you find that?
 
Sorry, I was already thinking in temperature when writing down this. I corrected the expression in #4.
 
Thanks sir! Your response helped me solve the problem.
 

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