Thermodynamics: Einstein solid (simple step in derivation)

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The discussion focuses on the derivation of the entropy formula for an Einstein solid, specifically the transition from S=kln(eq/N)N to S=Nkln(q/N+1). Participants clarify that the term "+1" arises from applying logarithmic rules, specifically kln((eq/N)^N)=Nk(1+ln(q/N)). The conversation emphasizes the importance of using proper parentheses to avoid confusion and accurately represent mathematical expressions. The consensus is that the initial formulation presented is incorrect.

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S=kln(\frac{eq}{N})N --->= S=Nkln(\frac{q}{N}+1)

i understand that the e goes away and the N exponent comes down but where does the +1 come from?
 
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iScience said:
S=kln(\frac{eq}{N})N --->= S=Nkln(\frac{q}{N}+1)

i understand that the e goes away and the N exponent comes down but where does the +1 come from?

That's not even right. kln((eq/N)^N)=Nk(1+ln(q/N)). Use more parentheses to show what you really mean. Just use rules of logarithms, and show how you are using them.
 
there are no more parentheses that's what's in my book. is this even an approximation??
 
iScience said:
there are no more parentheses that's what's in my book. is this even an approximation??

No, I think it's just wrong.
 

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