Thermos: Metal vs Glass - What is the Difference?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differences between metal and glass thermoses, specifically focusing on their heat retention capabilities, construction features, and material properties. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of thermos design and performance.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the construction of a vacuum flask, noting the double walls, vacuum insulation, and mirrored exterior, while questioning the purpose of the spout on the bottom.
  • Another participant explains that the mirrored walls prevent heat transfer through radiation and suggests that the spout is for creating the vacuum during manufacturing.
  • A different viewpoint asserts that glass thermoses are superior in heat retention due to their lower thermal conductivity compared to metal, but raises the question of why metal options exist, attributing it to cost considerations.
  • Another participant defends stainless steel as a viable material for thermoses, highlighting its durability and long-lasting vacuum performance compared to glass, which can become fragile and lose vacuum integrity over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the effectiveness of glass versus metal thermoses, with some favoring glass for its thermal properties while others advocate for stainless steel due to its durability and practical advantages. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which material is definitively better.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions about material properties, such as thermal conductivity and vacuum performance, without reaching a consensus on the implications of these factors for thermos effectiveness.

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You all know about this invention (vacuum flask) is someone don't its metal bottle with cup inside is vessel of glass which double walls and vacuum between them, outside of walls is painted with mirroring dye, and there's some sprout on the bottom of vessel (i don't know why).

My question is I've seen them made of pure metal and i want to know can they hold heat as good as ones made of glass? And what this painting and sprout on the bottom are doing?
 
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the walls are mirrored so that no heat radiates out (from the hot contents inside) or no heat radiates in (into the cold contents). i think that the spout you are referring to is the place where from the air inside was sucked out (to create the vacuum). after the air has been sucked out, the glass has to be sealed right, that what results in that spout.
 
With regards to your question of glass versus metal, you would be right to assume that the glass type is superior, since glass(or some variant) does not conduct heat nearly as well as a metal.
But why are there metal thermo's when glass is better? Money.
It's cheaper to make and they hope consumers don't care about quality.
 
Stainless steel is still a pretty good material to make thermos bottles from. Nowadays even lab equipment for low temperature experiments is made from stainless steel. Glass used to be a popular material (there are still plenty of glass cryostats around, I have used a few) but there are a couple of problems.
One is of course that glass is quite fragil, but another problem is that the vacuum in glass containers tend to go soft (=bad vacuum) after a while. The vacuum in a properly stainless steel container will be ok for several years whereas the pressure in most glass flasks tend go up much quicker and a good insulation vacuum is MUCH more important than any conduction losses (which are pretty small assuming the inner container only touches the outer at the neck).
 

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