They thought that the electron should fall into the nucleus?

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The discussion revolves around the question of why electrons do not fall into the nucleus of an atom, particularly in the context of classical and quantum mechanics. Participants explore concepts related to electromagnetic forces, electron behavior, and atomic models, including the Bohr Model. The scope includes theoretical explanations and homework-related inquiries.

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  • Some participants suggest that the initial assumption about electrons falling into the nucleus was based on the electromagnetic force between opposite charges.
  • Others argue that electrons do not orbit the nucleus like planets but instead vibrate around it, emphasizing a wave-like description of electrons.
  • It is noted that accelerating charges emit electromagnetic radiation and lose energy, which complicates the idea of stable orbits.
  • One participant discusses the Bohr Model, explaining that electrons can absorb and release energy, transitioning between discrete energy levels rather than continuously orbiting the nucleus.
  • There is mention of an "infinite energy" issue related to ionization energy, which some participants find unclear but relevant to the discussion of electron behavior.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of electron behavior, with some supporting the wave model and others referencing the Bohr Model. There is no consensus on a singular explanation for why electrons do not fall into the nucleus, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants highlight limitations in understanding, particularly regarding the transition from classical to quantum descriptions of electron behavior and the implications of energy levels. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of foundational concepts in atomic theory.

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Hopefully I have this right. When they discovered the electron, they immediately realized that the electron should get sucked into the nucleus due to the electromagnetic force from the opposite charges. Why didn't they assume that the electron could orbit the nucleus to cancel out the electromagnetic force if it was traveling fast enough, just like the Moon orbits the Earth to cancel out the gravity?

The reason why I ask this in the homework section is because it is in my textbook. I am not sure if I will have to know this.
 
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Probably because an electron is not a discrete object like a planet and it doesn't orbit a nucleus. A more accurate description of what's happening is that the electron is vibrating around the nucleus. Think of the electron as a wave, not a particle in your case.
 
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Accelerating charge emits electromagnetic radiation and loses energy.
 
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newjerseyrunner said:
Probably because an electron is not a discrete object like a planet and it doesn't orbit a nucleus. A more accurate description of what's happening is that the electron is vibrating around the nucleus. Think of the electron as a wave, not a particle in your case.

Question is not about "what the electron is", but about "why it can't be explained in the terms of orbiting the nucleus". Once we knew it can't we had to look for other explanations, but the first rule in science is - use Occam's razor. If something can be explained using known phenomena/laws/effects there is no need for new ones.
 
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Borek said:
Accelerating charge emits electromagnetic radiation and loses energy.

Thank-you so much! They mentioned an "infinite energy" issue that I didn't understand either, but your post clears that up for me too.
 
student34 said:
They mentioned an "infinite energy" issue that I didn't understand either

It is the same problem, just expressed in a different way.
 
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The electron doesn't fall into the nucleus b/c it can absorb and release energy. I'd suggest reviewing the Bohr Model of the atom and why Neils Bohr related the bright line emission spectrum of Hydrogen to electrons orbiting at 'discrete' distances from the nucleus. Basically, electrons absorb energy, jump outward from a low energy orbit to a higher energy orbit and then falls back to lower energy levels. During the 'electron transition' from a higher energy orbit to a lower energy orbit, light energy (photons) are emitted. If they stop at the n = 2 energy ( or, L-shell of the atom ) they will emit visible radiation which can be viewed using a diffraction grating or prism. Hydrogen gives 4 visible spectra lines, each having a 'discrete' wavelength. This means that the electron during energy level transitions will reside at a specific distance (discrete average, i.e., principle quantum number (n) according to Quantum Mechanics) from the nucleus. The electron starts its transition in a higher energy orbital, then it is in a lower energy orbital. It doesn't stop in between, or give evidence that it passed through the 'in between'. Such is called 'quantization,' or more commonly referred to as a 'quantum leap'. If they resided anywhere within the atomic volume, examination of the EMR Spectrum would be a Continuous Spectrum like the rainbow. Colors of the rain bow: ROY G BIV. From low energy to high energy ... Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Indigo & Violet.

P.S. 'Infinite Energy' is the 1st (and only) Ionization Energy of the Hydrogen Atom. ∆Ei-1 = 2,8 x 10-18 Joule[ (1/n2)i - (1/n2) ] = 2.8 x 10-18 Joule[ (1/n2)i ] where (1/∞2) = 0. Then ionization from the ground state configuration, n = 1 => ∆Ei-1 = 2.8 x 10-18 Joule/H-atom = [(2.18x10-18 x 6.02x1023) / 1000]Kj/mole = 1312 Kj/mole.
 
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