I Thinking about the Definition of a Unit of a ring R .... ....

[Math Amateur]

I have been thinking around the definition of a unit in a ring and trying to fully understand why the definition is the way it is ... ...

Marlow Anderson and Todd Feil, in their book "A First Course in Abstract Algebra: Rings, Groups and Fields (Second Edition), introduce units in a ring with 1 in the following way ... ...

So ... an element $a$ of a ring $R$ with $1$ is a unit if there is an element $b$ of $R$ such that
$ab = ba = 1$ ... ...So ... if, in the case where $R$ was noncommutative, $ab = 1$ and $ba \neq 1$ then $a$ would not be a unit ... is that right?

Presumably it is not 'useful' to describe $a$ as a 'left unit' in such a case ... that is, presumably one-sided units are not worth defining ... is that right?
Could someone please comment on and perhaps clarify/correct the above ...Hope someone can help ...

Peter

 

[fresh_42]

So ... if, in the case where $R$ was noncommutative, $ab = 1$ and $ba \neq 1$ then $a$ would not be a unit ... is that right?

I'm not aware of an example and still try to find an argument, why this should be impossible. At least I've found some strange implications.

Let us assume $ab=1$ and $ba \neq 1$.

Then $a(ba-1)=0$ by associativity and you don't want to have a unit being a zero divisor.
In addition, $a(ba+b-1)=1=ab$ and $ba+b-1 \neq b$ and you don't want to have two different right inverses either.

So although I haven't found a direct contradiction (yet!?), the resulting ring has some really weird properties, at least $a \in R$ has.

 

[Math Amateur]

Thanks for the post fresh_42 ...

But I need some help to see why a(ba-1) = 0 ...

Can you help ...

Peter

 

[Stephen Tashi]

So ... if, in the case where $R$ was noncommutative, $ab = 1$ and $ba \neq 1$ then $a$ would not be a unit ... is that right?

Yes.

Presumably it is not 'useful' to describe $a$ as a 'left unit' in such a case ... that is, presumably one-sided units are not worth defining ... is that right?

The term "left inverse" is in use. Perhaps that's why we don't hear about "left units".

 

[lavinia]

I have been thinking around the definition of a unit in a ring and trying to fully understand why the definition is the way it is ... ...

Marlow Anderson and Todd Feil, in their book "A First Course in Abstract Algebra: Rings, Groups and Fields (Second Edition), introduce units in a ring with 1 in the following way ... ...

So ... an element $a$ of a ring $R$ with $1$ is a unit if there is an element $b$ of $R$ such that
$ab = ba = 1$ ... ...So ... if, in the case where $R$ was noncommutative, $ab = 1$ and $ba \neq 1$ then $a$ would not be a unit ... is that right?

Presumably it is not 'useful' to describe $a$ as a 'left unit' in such a case ... that is, presumably one-sided units are not worth defining ... is that right?
Could someone please comment on and perhaps clarify/correct the above ...Hope someone can help ...

Peter

I think there are many rings with one sided units.

 

[pwsnafu]

Consider the ring of all operators $C^\infty \to C^\infty$. What is the inverse of the derivative?

 

[fresh_42]

Let us assume $ab=1$ and $ba \neq 1$.

Then $a(ba-1)=0$ by associativity and you don't want to have a unit being a zero divisor.
In addition, $a(ba+b-1)=1=ab$ and $ba+b-1 \neq b$ and you don't want to have two different right inverses either.

But I need some help to see why $a(ba-1) = 0$...

$a\cdot (ba-1)=a\cdot (b\cdot a)-a\cdot 1=(a\cdot b) \cdot a - a= 1 \cdot a - a = 0$ so $a$ is a unit ($ab=1$) and a zero divisor $a\cdot (ba-1)=0$.

$a(ba+b-1)=a\cdot (ba-1)+a\cdot b=0+1=1=ab$ by the above and the definition of $b$. So $(ba+b-1)$ and $b$ are both right inverse to $a$. But if they were equal, that is $ba+b-1=b$ then $ba-1=0$ or $ba=1$ which we excluded. Thus they are actually two different right inverses.

 

[lavinia]

A classic example occurs in the ring of linear maps on the vector space of infinite tuples of numbers in some field.

The linear map $R$ that shifts the sequence once to the right and puts zero at the beginning of the sequence is inverted by the linear map $L$ that shifts the sequence once to the left and drops off the first number in the sequence. But $L$ is not invertible since it is not injective.

- I will look for some examples that do not involve infinite dimensional space such as this one or the example given above of the derivative operator. I think there are examples for some group rings over certain algebraic extensions of the rationals.

 

[Math Amateur]

Thanks to all who have posted ... it has been most helpful ... I am really grateful for the help ...

Peter