Third order differential equation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on understanding the transition from second order to third order differential equations, specifically the principles and derivations involved in this process. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and the application of differentiation rules.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the principles behind the transition from second to third order differential equations, presenting a specific equation and its derivatives.
  • Another participant suggests using the same principles applied in moving from first to second order, emphasizing the need for the product rule due to the presence of products of functions in the derivatives.
  • A third participant provides an alternative formulation for the third derivative, which appears to build on the previous discussions.
  • A later reply expresses agreement with the previous formulation, indicating a positive reception of the proposed approach.

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Participants generally agree on the principles involved in deriving the third order differential equation, although the discussion includes multiple formulations and approaches without a definitive consensus on a single method.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the functions and their derivatives are not explicitly stated, and the discussion does not resolve potential ambiguities in the mathematical steps involved.

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Hi all, I need to understand these differential equations specially moving from the second order to the third order because i couldn't understand how they got to the result, what was exactly the principle:

$$ y'=f(x,y) $$

$$ y''=\frac{df}{dx}(x,y(x)) = f_{x}(x,y) + f_{y}(x,y)y' = f_{x}(x,y) + f_{y}(x,y)f(x,y) $$

$$ y'''=f_{xx}+2ff_{xy}+f_{yy}f^{2}+f_{x}f_{y}+ff_{y}^{2} $$

where $$ f_{x} $$ is the partial derivation of x and so for the similar other quantities.
please help me with it, thank you.
 
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use the same principles you used for going from first order to second order. You will need to use product rule, because ##y''## contains ##f_yf## which is a product of two functions. But it is not much more complicated than going from first order to second order.

hint: for any function ##g(x,y)## you have: ##g'=g_x+g_y y'## (where ##g'## means total derivative with respect to x).
 
$$ y''' = f_{xx} + f_{xy} y' + f ( f_{yx} + f_{yy} f) + f_{y} (f_{x} + f_{y} f) $$

which leads to the final result.
 
yep. looks good!
 

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