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The discussion revolves around finding a particular solution to the non-homogeneous ordinary differential equation (ODE) given by y'' + 6y' + 5y = -9te^(5t). Participants explore various methods for determining the form of the particular solution and share their approaches and reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • Dmitriy suggests a particular solution of the form y_p = Ate^(5t) + Bte^(5t) and seeks feedback on this guess.
  • Daniel proposes using the method of variation of constants, suggesting a particular solution of the form y_p = C(t)e^(-5t) and derives a related non-homogeneous second ODE.
  • Daniel later revises his approach, suggesting y_p = C(t)e^(5t) and provides a specific form for C(t) leading to a particular solution.
  • Another participant, dexterciby, expresses confusion regarding the need to multiply by another "t" due to the characteristic equation's solution e^(-5t).
  • Daniel responds to dexterciby, stating that any linear "t" dependence is absorbed in the unknown function C(t).
  • A later post suggests that since e^(5t) is not a solution to the associated homogeneous equation, the form of the particular solution should be yp(t) = (At + B)e^(5t), prompting further exploration of A and B.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views on the form of the particular solution and the methods to derive it. There is no consensus on the best approach, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the assumptions underlying their proposed solutions, particularly regarding the forms of the particular solution and the implications of the characteristic equation.

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This problem is hindering my overall work !

Need to find particular solution.
y"+6y'+5y=-9te^(5t)

What would be my guess work: I tried y_p=Ate^(5t)+Bte^(5t)
Any thought on the guess?
Thanks,
Dmitriy.
 
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If you like lenghty calculations, you might use the method of variation of constants. Assume for example that the particular solution to the given ODE is of the form

[tex]y_{p}=C(t)e^{-5t}[/tex]

You need to find the exact expression of C(t). For that plug in the ODE and then get another nonhomogenous second ODE whose particular solution you need to find

I get something like

[tex]C''(t)-4C'(t)=-9te^{10t}[/tex]

for which i use the ansatz

[tex]C(t)=D(t)e^{4t}[/tex]

and finally getting the ODE

[tex]D''(t)=-9te^{6t}[/tex]

which can be integrated twice to get a solution depending on 2 constants of integration which you'll determine by plugging in the initial ODE.

Daniel.
 
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It's too complicated what i did above (perhaps even incorrect).

Try the ansatz

[tex]y_{p}=C(t)e^{5t}[/tex]

THe ODE for C(t) is

[tex]C''(t)+16C'(t)+60C(t)=-9t[/tex]

whose particular solution is

[tex]C_{p}(t)=\frac{1}{25}-\frac{3}{20}t[/tex]

and whose general solution, after using the ansatz leads to the same general solution of the initial ODE, so nothing new. Ergo, the particular solution to the initial ODE is

[tex]y_{p}(t)=\left(\frac{1}{25}-\frac{3}{20}t\right)e^{5t}[/tex]

Daniel.
 
dexterciby: This is works perfect.
however, it certainly interfere with my previous knowledge about non homogeneous EQ's. one of the solutions for the characteristic equation is e^(-5t), wouldn't we have to multiply everything by another "t"?
Please explain?
 
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No, i absorbed any linear "t" dependence in the unknown function C(t).

Daniel.
 
Since e5t is not a solution to the associated homogeneous equation (e-5t is), a solution to the entire equation will be of the form yp(t)= (At+ B)e5t. Plug that into the equation and solve for A and B.
 

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