This question can be answered using the formula D=VT for both cyclists.

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The problem involves two cyclists, one of whom accelerates after a delay to catch up with the other, who is traveling at a constant speed. The subject area includes kinematics and equations of motion.

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A bicylist is finishing his repair of a flat tire when a friend rides by a constant speed of 3.5 m/s. Two seconds later the bicylist hops on his bike and accelerates 2.4 m/s^2 until he catches his friend.

a) How much time does it take until he catches his friend?

What I did was:

v=v0 + at


solved for T..

V-V0/a = t

3.5 - 0/2.4 = 1.6s

(b) how far has he traveled?

Can I use D=VT? or should I use the formula x=x0 + 1/2(V0 + V)t?

I'm confused when I can use D=vt..
 
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The formula:

##d=vt##

should only be applied when ##v## is constant, otherwise you should use:

##d=\overline{v}t##

where ##\overline{v}## is the average speed. When there is constant acceleration, then we know:

##\overline{v}=\frac{v_i+v_f}{2}##
 
MarkFL said:
The formula:

##d=vt##

should only be applied when ##v## is constant, otherwise you should use:

##d=\overline{v}t##

where ##\overline{v}## is the average speed. When there is constant acceleration, then we know:

##\overline{v}=\frac{v_i+v_f}{2}##

can i use x=x0 + 1/2(V0 + V)t?
 
Turkishking said:
can i use x=x0 + 1/2(V0 + V)t?

Yes, if you'll notice we can write:

##d=\overline{v}t\tag{1}##

Now, suppose we use

##d=\Delta x=x-x_0,\,\overline{v}=\frac{v_0+v}{2}##

Then (1) becomes:

##x-x_0=\frac{v_0+v}{2}t##

or:

##x=x_0+\frac{v_0+v}{2}t##

So, the two formulas are really the same thing just written in different ways.
 
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MarkFL said:
Yes, if you'll notice we can write:

##d=\overline{v}t\tag{1}##

Now, suppose we use

##d=\Delta x=x-x_0,\,\overline{v}=\frac{v_0+v}{2}##

Then (1) becomes:

##x-x_0=\frac{v_0+v}{2}t##

or:

##x=x_0+\frac{v_0+v}{2}t##

So, the two formulas are really the same thing just written in different ways.
thank you :)
 
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Turkishking said:
3.5 - 0/2.4 = 1.6s
i presume you mean (3.5 - 0)/2.4.
That equation will tell you how long it takes for the cyclist to reach 3.5m/s, but that is not the question asked.
Your mistake is to apply equations just because they involve the right types of quantity, in this case an acceleration, a time and two speeds. An equation is meaningless divorced of the context to which it applies.
 
haruspex said:
i presume you mean (3.5 - 0)/2.4.
That equation will tell you how long it takes for the cyclist to reach 3.5m/s, but that is not the question asked.
Your mistake is to apply equations just because they involve the right types of quantity, in this case an acceleration, a time and two speeds. An equation is meaningless divorced of the context to which it applies.
So then what am I doing wrong
 
Turkishking said:
So then what am I doing wrong
I have told you what you did wrong. What you would like to know is what you should have done.
At time 0 the second cyclist passes the first. At time t, >2s, how far has each cyclist travelled?
 

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