Thoughts about homeopathic "medicine"

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The discussion revolves around homeopathic medicine, including its legitimacy, practices, and the perceptions surrounding it. Participants share anecdotes, humor, and critiques related to homeopathy, touching on topics such as regulatory actions, the nature of homeopathic remedies, and the philosophical implications of belief in such treatments.

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  • Some participants reference a 2014 FDA recall of homeopathic remedies due to the presence of penicillin, questioning the validity of homeopathic practices.
  • Humorous remarks are made about the absurdity of homeopathic medicine, including jokes about overdosing on homeopathic medication by forgetting to take it.
  • There are discussions about the dilution process in homeopathy, with some participants suggesting that improper dilution could lead to contamination or ineffective remedies.
  • One participant humorously proposes that the concept of God could be likened to a homeopathic remedy, suggesting a philosophical angle on belief and dilution.
  • Several comments express skepticism about the efficacy of homeopathy and the beliefs surrounding it, with some participants noting the ease of belief compared to critical thinking.

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Participants generally express skepticism towards homeopathy, with humor and critiques dominating the conversation. However, there is no consensus on the validity of homeopathic practices, and multiple competing views remain regarding its effectiveness and the nature of belief in such remedies.

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Some claims about homeopathy are based on anecdotal evidence and humor rather than empirical data. The discussion includes references to regulatory actions and personal beliefs, which may not be universally accepted or verified.

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In Uncle John’s Bathroom reader, under the topic of irony, it contained the following statement. I’ve tried, unsuccessfully, to verify this but have not been able to. None-the-less, they have a good track record for fact checking their statements and anyway if it isn’t true, it should be :smile:

In 2014 the US Food and Drug administration ordered a recall of several homeopathic remedies being sold by a computer company called Terra-Medica. Tests revealed that the remedies contained trace amounts of penicillin (a natural byproduct of the fermentation process). They were recalled because penicillin is an “actual medicine” which is illegal for homeopathic remedies to contain.

EDIT: Note: see post #13
 
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Oh, and I should add, my own belief it should be a requirement that payment for homeopathic medicine be done in homeopathic dollars which, of course, is an empty envelope that used to have money in it.
 
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Why send an envelope when people can just 'believe' that they sent it?
 
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Borg said:
Why send an envelope when people can just 'believe' that they sent it?
I guess that would work if you could get the "doctor" to also pretend that he got it.
 
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I think I told this before, but ...

Hear about the guy who overdosed on his homeopathic medication?
He forgot to take it.
 
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phinds said:
I’ve tried, unsuccessfully, to verify this but have not been able to.
The case looks valid, though the original FDA statement became a victim of some reorganizations of their website
Here
News about the case
 
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phinds said:
...penicillin is an “actual medicine” which is illegal for homeopathic remedies to contain.
Haha.
 
phinds said:
In 2014 the US Food and Drug administration ordered a recall of several homeopathic remedies being sold by a computer company called Terra-Medica. Tests revealed that the remedies contained trace amounts of penicillin (a natural byproduct of the fermentation process). They were recalled because penicillin is an “actual medicine” which is illegal for homeopathic remedies to contain.
So, wait - does that mean they weren't even bothering to dilute it properly? I mean, throwing all that dilution waste water away is wasteful, so maybe just reuse it?
 
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Borg said:
Why send an envelope when people can just 'believe' that they sent it?
Hm. So, kinda like praying to God...Waitaminnit...

"...the selected substance is repeatedly diluted until the final product is chemically indistinguishable from the diluent. Often not even a single molecule of the original substance can be expected to remain in the product."

What if there was lots of God around in everything 2000 years ago, but it has since been diluted till no more God molecules are in it? Maybe God is the ultimate homeopathic remedy?

I think I'm on to something here guys...
 
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I think you may be on something :smile: .......can I have some?
 
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I thought homeopathy was off-limits here?
 
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pbuk said:
I thought homeopathy was off-limits here?
Turns out it is a real news story. news story (as posted by @Rive)
 
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DaveC426913 said:
What if there was lots of God around in everything 2000 years ago
Last breath of Cleopatra and Caesar and, of course... :wink:

Ps.: clearly, we need more dilution 🤣
 
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pbuk said:
I thought homeopathy was off-limits here?
I think the Mentors are allowing it this time. As they say "The solution to dilution is absolution".
 
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russ_watters said:
So, wait - does that mean they weren't even bothering to dilute it properly?
My favorite dilution technique is the Korsakovian method:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathic_dilutions said:
The "Korsakovian" method may also be used. In the Korsakovian method the vessel in which the preparations are manufactured is emptied, refilled with solvent, with the volume of fluid adhering to the walls of the vessel deemed sufficient for the new batch.
Measuring is too hard? No problem, just rinse out the vial, that should work.
 
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DrClaude said:
Measuring is too hard? No problem, just rinse out the vial, that should work.
What if your vial of hay fever cure used to contain the homeopathic remedy for bee sting. The resulting overdose could prove fatal to bees over a large area.
 
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Here's a homeopathic joke:
(I typed it in and then deleted it.)
 
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It wasn't that funny....can you delete it a few mor times ? '
 
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Tea is essentially homeopathic coffee with a bit of added flavor.
 
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hutchphd said:
I think you may be on something :smile: .......can I have some?
Come to Canada. We have herbeopathic remedies.
 
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phinds said:
I guess that would work if you could get the "doctor" to also pretend that he got it.
Or one with a diploma from a school in the Caribbean.
 
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Incredible what people will believe. I never stops to amaze me.
 
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Believing is easier than thinking.
 
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