Throw whatever you have against these 2 equations

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The discussion revolves around solving a pair of equations involving the variables A, B, λ (lambda), γ (gamma), and θ (theta). Participants explore methods for finding λ given known values of A and B, considering both numerical and algebraic approaches. The equations involve hyperbolic functions and trigonometric identities, indicating a blend of mathematical reasoning and physics research.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in solving the equations and seeks numerical or approximate methods to find λ, assuming there should be a solution based on the number of equations and unknowns.
  • Another participant points out that there are four unknowns (A, B, γ, θ) and questions the feasibility of solving the system with only two equations.
  • A later reply corrects the previous misunderstanding, noting that there are indeed three variables (λ, θ, γ) and only two equations, suggesting that more constraints are needed.
  • One participant proposes a method involving squaring and subtracting to derive a new equation, which could potentially be useful, but does not assert its validity.
  • Another participant suggests a specific case by setting γ to π/2, simplifying the equations to find λ and θ sequentially, indicating a possible approach to obtain solutions under certain conditions.
  • Another response reiterates the issue of having three unknowns with only two equations, emphasizing the challenge in finding a unique solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there are more unknowns than equations, leading to uncertainty about finding a unique solution. Multiple approaches and methods are proposed, but no consensus is reached on a definitive solution or method.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of the current equations, particularly the dependence on the number of equations relative to the unknowns. There is also an acknowledgment of the need for additional constraints to solve the system effectively.

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This isn't my homework: I'm doing some physics research and I'm stuck at a simple 2 equations. I want to solve these equations

A \cos(\gamma) \sinh(\theta) = \lambda - B \cosh(\theta)
A \cos(\gamma) \cosh(\theta) = A \sin(\gamma) - B \sinh(\theta)

I'd like to know if there's any way I can find \lambda if I start with A and B known. I'd be happy to do this numerically, but I can't see how I would. I've tried monkeying with the algebra for a while.

All that my undergrad math tells me is that there should be a solution since there are 2 equations, 2 unknowns.

Is there any way I can solve this numerically, or approximate the solution by hand, or even show that there is a solution?

I'm stumped!
 
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There are 4 unknowns in this. A, B, Gamma, Theta.

There may be a way of solving this but not with any form of simulataneous equations of matrices i wouldn't think. Don't hold me to that though.
 
A and B are known parameters. Indeed, I have already tabulated them numerically.
 
Sorry that was me misreading the post. Another problem is still there. Even though we have two equations we have three variables. (I missed out lambda last time). You would need 3 equations for this to work.
 
Of course, thanks. I'll try to find a new constraint.
 
andrewm said:
This isn't my homework: I'm doing some physics research and I'm stuck at a simple 2 equations. I want to solve these equations

A \cos(\gamma) \sinh(\theta) = \lambda - B \cosh(\theta)
A \cos(\gamma) \cosh(\theta) = A \sin(\gamma) - B \sinh(\theta)

I'd like to know if there's any way I can find \lambda if I start with A and B known. I'd be happy to do this numerically, but I can't see how I would. I've tried monkeying with the algebra for a while.

All that my undergrad math tells me is that there should be a solution since there are 2 equations, 2 unknowns.

Is there any way I can solve this numerically, or approximate the solution by hand, or even show that there is a solution?

I'm stumped!
At the very least, you may square&subtract:
A^{2}\cos^{2}(\gamma) \cosh^{2}(\theta)-A^{2} \cos^{2}(\gamma) \sinh^{2}(\theta)= (A \sin(\gamma) - B \sinh(\theta))^{2}-(\lambda - B \cosh(\theta) )^{2}
Which can be simplified to:
A^{2}\cos(2\gamma)=2B\lambda\cosh(\theta)-2AB\sin(\gamma)\sinh(\theta)-(B^{2}+\lambda^{2})
Maybe this equation can be used for something, or maybe not.
 
You still have three unknowns, \lambda, \theta, and \gamma with only two equations.
 
If you're just looking for any solution...

To start, pick gamma=pi/2. Then your equations reduce to

\lambda -Bcosh( \theta ) = 0
A - Bsinh (\theta ) = 0

Based on the second equation, you find theta, then use the first equation to find lambda.
 
I'd bring all thetas on one side and then square and subtract. The result is
<br /> \cos 2\gamma=\frac{B^2-\lambda^2}{A^2}<br />
but please check it for yourself.
 

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