Tidal Locking question about the Earth-Moon system

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The discussion revolves around the concept of tidal locking in the Earth-Moon system, specifically addressing the mechanics of how the Moon's rotation and shape affect its gravitational interaction with the Earth. Participants explore theoretical models and mathematical representations related to this phenomenon.

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  • One participant questions the interpretation of tidal locking mechanics as described in a Wikipedia article, particularly regarding the relationship between the Moon's rotation speed and the alignment of tidal bulges.
  • Another participant acknowledges a misunderstanding and suggests deleting their initial question, indicating a shift in their perspective.
  • A participant proposes modeling the Moon as a dumbbell to study tidal locking and seeks clarification on the appropriate length for this model.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of density fluctuations (mascons) affecting the Moon's shape and suggests that the Moon is an oblate spheroid, slightly flattened at the poles.
  • A participant provides a mathematical approach to finding the centroid of a half-ellipsoid and discusses the relationship between the ellipsoid and a sphere in the context of the dumbbell model.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of tidal locking mechanics and the modeling of the Moon. There is no consensus reached on these points, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants reference specific mathematical formulations and physical concepts without resolving the assumptions or definitions involved in their arguments. The discussion includes complex modeling considerations that may depend on various interpretations of the Moon's shape and density.

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Why should the moon's tidal bulge lag from the earth-moon axis if the rotation rate is slower than synchronous?
This section of the Wikipedia article on tidal locking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_locking#Mechanism
states:
(Note : A is the earth; B is the moon)
The material of B exerts resistance to this periodic reshaping caused by the tidal force. In effect, some time is required to reshape B to the gravitational equilibrium shape, by which time the forming bulges have already been carried some distance away from the A–B axis by B's rotation. Seen from a vantage point in space, the points of maximum bulge extension are displaced from the axis oriented toward A. If B's rotation period is shorter than its orbital period, the bulges are carried forward of the axis oriented toward A in the direction of rotation, whereas if B's rotation period is longer, the bulges instead lag behind.

I am having trouble understanding that last "whereas" bit (bold font). It seems to me that if we consider lower and lower rotation speeds (especially sub-synchronous speeds) then what should happen is that the delay caused by "resistance to reshaping" would only become more and more negligible, so that the bulge would align itself more and more closely with the earth-moon axis. Essentially, the bulges "lead angle" with respect to the earth-moon axis should asymptotically approach zero as the rotation slows down.

Is the article wrong on this point, or am I?
 
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Okay, I think I get how I was wrong.

Dear Moderator: Please delete the question.
 
Don't delete yet.
To study tidal locking (resonance), I wish to model the moon (ellipsoid) as a dumbbell of length, L.
What is a proper length, L, for the dumbbell?
Centroid of half-ellipsoid is 3/8a, half-sphere is 3/8r. A sphere (moon) would produce no torque, so these values seem incorrect.
 
I think the primary effect is due to actual density fluctuations (mascons) in the nearly circular moon. I believe the actual shape of the moon is pretty much the usual oblate spheroid slightly flattened at the poles. Post what you find out.
 
Subtract the sphere from the ellipsoid - the dumbbell is the remainder.
The equation for the ellipse is ##x^2/a^2 + y^2/b^2 = 1##, ##a>b##, and the equation of a sphere is ##x^2 + y^2 = b^2##, of radius b. We find the centroid, ##\overline{x}##, for half the volume as follows:
\begin{align}
\int{x dV} &= \pi \int{x y^{2}dx} = \int_{0}^{b} [\frac{b^{2}}{a^{2}} (xa^{2} - x^{3}) - (xb^{2} - x^{3})]dx\nonumber \\
&\qquad \qquad \qquad+ \int_{b}^{a}\frac{b^{2}}{a^{2}}(xa^{2} - x^{3})dx \nonumber \\
&\qquad \qquad\qquad\quad \quad= \pi \frac{b^{2}}{4}(a^{2}- b^{2}) \\
\int{dV} &= \frac{\pi}{2}(\frac{4}{3}ab^{2} - \frac{4}{3}b^{3}) \;= \pi \frac{2}{3}b^{2}(a - b) \\
\overline{x} &= \int{x dV} / \int{dV} \:\:= \frac{3}{8} (a + b) = \it{l}
\end{align}
Then, M##_{dumbbell}## = (M - M##_{b}##)/2
 
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