Time independent Schrodinger equation and uncertainty in x

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The discussion revolves around the time-independent Schrödinger equation and the properties of a Gaussian function as a potential eigenfunction of the kinetic energy operator. Participants are exploring the implications of this function in the context of quantum mechanics, particularly regarding its role as an energy eigenfunction and the calculation of uncertainties.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to determine if the Gaussian function is an eigenfunction of the kinetic energy operator and seeks to find a potential energy operator that would allow it to be an energy eigenfunction. Questions arise regarding the calculation of expectation values, particularly concerning the treatment of the function in integrals for uncertainty.

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Participants are actively discussing the calculations involved in finding expectation values and clarifying the mathematical treatment of the Gaussian function. Some guidance has been provided regarding the correct formulation of the expectation value integrals, but there remains some uncertainty about the specific steps involved in the calculations.

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There is a focus on the definitions and calculations related to quantum mechanical operators and expectation values, with participants questioning their understanding of the mathematical expressions involved. The discussion highlights the importance of clarity in notation and the interpretation of terms in the equations.

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Homework Statement


Is the gaussian
$$\sqrt{\frac{\pi}{2\alpha}}e^{-\alpha x^{2}}$$
an eigenfunction of ## \widehat{T} = \frac{\hat{p}^{2}}{2m}## ? If so, what is the corresponding eigenvalue? If not, find a P.E. operator ##\widehat{U} = U(\hat{x}) ## which gives rise to a Hamiltonian ##\widehat{H}## for which this Gaussian is an energy eigenfunction. What physical system are we talking about?
Find the uncertainty in ##\Delta x##.

Homework Equations



$$\hat{p} = \frac{\hbar}{i}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}$$

time independent Schrödinger equation
##\{-\frac{\hbar^{2}}{2m} \frac{\partial^{2}}{\partial x^{2}}+U(x)\}\psi_n(x)=E_n\psi_n(x)##

The Attempt at a Solution


I have worked out the relative derivatives and determined that it isn't an eigenfunction.
##\widehat{T}\psi(x)= -\frac{\hbar}{2m} 2\alpha e^{-\alpha x^{2}}(2\alpha x^{2} -1)##
Then I plug all that into the TISE and solve for ##\widehat{U}## and get

##\widehat{U}=\frac {\hbar^{2} + 4\alpha^{2}x^{2}}{2m}##

Hopefully I am correct up to here.

Now I am asked to find ##\Delta x ##

I think I need

## \Delta x= \sqrt{ \langle x^{2} \rangle - \langle x \rangle^{2}}##

where

## \langle x \rangle = \int_{-\infty}^\infty x|\psi|^{2} \,\mathrm{d}x##

which gives me 0

but I get confused here where I think I need

## \langle x^{2} \rangle = \int_{-\infty}^\infty x^{2}|\psi|^{2} \,\mathrm{d}x##

is the x2 term just the square of my function? So in principal I am just multiplying the square of my function by the mod of the function squared? THen taking the integral?

Thanks

edit :- sorted formatting of equation
 
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wood said:
but I get confused here where I think I need

## \langle x^{2} \rangle = \int_{-\infty}^\infty x^|\psi|^{2} \,\mathrm{d}x##

is the x2 term just the square of my function? So in principal I am just multiplying the square of my function by the mod of the function squared? THen taking the integral?

If you intended to write
## \langle x^{2} \rangle = \int_{-\infty}^\infty x^2 |\psi|^{2} \,\mathrm{d}x##
then yes, this is the expectation value of ##x^2##. Your wording makes it unclear what you are actually having trouble with.
 
That is what the equation was meant to look like.

My problem is do I square the function ##\psi## and multiply that by the mod squared of the function or multiply the function by x2. In short i am not sure what x2 is in the above formula

thanks
 
When you calculated ##\langle x \rangle##, how did you treat the factor of ##x##? Why do you think it's different in the case of ##\langle x^2 \rangle## in how you deal with ##x##?
 
Thanks very much I think I am getting the hang of what is going on. I don't have to treat ##\langle x^2 \rangle## any different to how I dealt with ##x## i.e.I just use ##x^{2}## when workingout ##\langle x^2\rangle ##
 

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