Time Patrol from the year 2500 interacting with many universes

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The discussion revolves around a fictional concept involving a Time Patrol from the year 2500 that interacts with various universes, particularly focusing on the implications of quantum pseudo-telepathy and the multiverse interpretation in relation to historical events. Participants explore the narrative structure of the story, character development, and the scientific plausibility of the ideas presented.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces a fictional narrative where a Russian character interacts with extraterrestrial civilizations, which are actually members of a Time Patrol, suggesting a complex interplay of history and quantum mechanics.
  • Another participant expresses concern about the political implications of the story, suggesting that it may inadvertently parallel real-world issues in Russia.
  • A third participant discusses narrative structure, referencing the "Save the Cat" writing system and its categories, emphasizing the importance of character focus in storytelling.
  • One participant questions the scientific validity of the proposed worldview, asking if concepts like quantum pseudo-telepathy and the many-worlds interpretation (MWI) could support the narrative's claims.
  • Another participant argues that even if the ideas presented were true, they would still be too speculative to be considered hard science fiction.
  • A later reply seeks clarification on the appropriateness of using MWI to interpret historical outcomes, specifically referencing alternate realities stemming from World War II.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of interest and skepticism regarding the narrative's scientific basis and its implications. There is no consensus on the plausibility of the ideas presented, and multiple competing views remain regarding the intersection of fiction and scientific concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the speculative nature of the narrative and its reliance on interpretations of quantum mechanics, particularly the many-worlds interpretation, without resolving the scientific validity of these claims.

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Readers interested in speculative fiction, narrative structure, and the intersection of science and storytelling may find this discussion relevant.

Spathi
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Hello, I have an idea of a fiction.

The main character from Russia considers himself a contactee, and through quantum pseudo-telepathy he interacts, as it seems to him, with extraterrestrial civilizations, but in fact these are employees of the Time Patrol from the year 2500. Fortunately for the universe and all intelligent beings in it, alternative universes with a bad course of history develop more slowly than universes where reason and democracy win, and lose the competition to the latter. In the alternative universe in which Putinism won, they could not learn how to manipulate time, but in the universe with a prosperous history - they could, and pushed the first universe into a zone with low amplitude, turning it into a funny semi-conscious dream. The Patrol is an intergalactic organization built by developed civilizations with high standards of humanism and democracy.

The Earth Time Patrol modifies the history of the Earth through quantum correlations, interacting mainly with the Russians, because the Russians, due to their history (in which there were many reversals), have a lump of doubt in their heads, and “law nihilism”, which gives the Patrol many opportunities. Thanks to this, in the history of Russia, those who were persecuted always eventually came to power.
 
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The concept seems interesting but I would worry that your story doesn't somehow parallel political things and violate any recent laws in Russia.

For the story, you've described the universe of your novel. Now you should focus on the characters in your novel and try to keep them as the main focus of the story.

A book called Saves the Cat Writes a Novel has come out. Saves the Cat is a set of formulaic principles for writing successful movies, and the author has adapted them to novels.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Save_the_Cat!:_The_Last_Book_on_Screenwriting_You'll_Ever_Need

and the novel version:

https://www.amazon.com/Save-Cat-Writes-Novel-Writing/dp/0399579745?tag=pfamazon01-20

The original creator of the system was a screenwriter for many Hollywood movies. The most notable was the movie Blank Check, in which a kid yearns to have enough money to do what he wants, like his older brothers.

One day, he goes riding with his friends, and a car accidentally runs over his bike. The driver is in a hurry and offers to pay for the bike, but before he can, a police car cruises by, and the driver gets spooked, leaving the kid with a signed blank check.

The kid goes home and imagines what he can do with the check. He uses his computer to write $1,000,000 in bank lettering on the check. He then goes to the bank to cash it. The bank manager believes he's a messenger from the driver and gives the kid the money, placing it in his backpack.

And that sets the story off running...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blank_Check_(film)

The Saves the Cat system breaks up stories into ten categories. You must decide what type of story you want to tell by choosing a category. From there, successful movies are listed that conform to the category along with the plot points that must be covered in your story to be successful.

In the "Save the Cat!" series by Blake Snyder, the ten story genres (or "categories") that he outlines are as follows:

1. Monster in the House: This genre involves a monster, a house (or confined space), and the sin that brings the monster into the house.

2. Golden Fleece: A quest story where the hero (or group of heroes) must go on a journey to find something valuable, often learning lessons along the way.

3. Out of the Bottle: A genre where a wish is granted or a curse is placed, leading to unintended consequences.

4. Dude with a Problem: This genre features an ordinary person facing an extraordinary circumstance.

5. Rites of Passage: Coming-of-age or life transition stories that focus on the hero’s internal journey through a major life event.

6. Buddy Love: A story centered around a relationship, often involving opposites who learn from each other.

7. Whydunit: A mystery where the focus is on why something happened rather than just solving the crime. This genre explores the human psyche and motivations.

8. The Fool Triumphant: A story about an underdog or a character who is underestimated by others but ultimately succeeds.

9. Institutionalized: This genre focuses on a group or institution, often dealing with themes of conformity, belonging, and rebellion.

10. Superhero: A story about a person (or group) with special abilities or unique talents who must deal with their responsibilities and the challenges they face.

The movie Blank Check (1994) would fit into the "Out of the Bottle" category
where the story revolves around a character who experiences a wish fulfillment or a magical event that changes their life, often leading to unintended consequences.

Other movies in the same genre are:

1. Bruce Almighty (2003): A man is granted God’s powers for a week, leading to humorous and profound situations as he learns the weight of such responsibility.
2. Liar Liar (1997): A lawyer, known for his dishonesty, is cursed to tell the truth for 24 hours after his son wishes for it, leading to a series of comedic and life-changing events.
3. Big (1988): A young boy wishes to become “big” and wakes up as an adult, leading to adventures and challenges as he navigates the adult world with a child’s perspective.
4. Freaky Friday (2003): A mother and daughter who don’t see eye to eye magically swap bodies and must live each other’s lives, learning valuable lessons.
5. Groundhog Day (1993): A weatherman repeatedly relives the same day, eventually using the experience to improve himself and change his perspective on life.

In contrast, the Matrix movie falls in the Superhero category where the protagonist often has special abilities or unique talents that set them apart from others, and they must learn to harness these abilities to confront and overcome powerful adversaries. In *The Matrix*, Neo discovers that he is "The One" with the ability to manipulate the virtual world of the Matrix, ultimately using his powers to fight against the oppressive forces controlling humanity.

Other movies in the superhero category are:

1. Spider-Man (2002): A young man gains spider-like abilities after being bitten by a radioactive spider and takes on the role of a superhero to protect New York City.
2. The Dark Knight (2008): Batman faces his greatest challenge in the form of the Joker, testing his moral code and role as Gotham’s protector.
3. Superman (1978): An alien with superhuman abilities adopts the identity of Superman to protect Earth from various threats.
4. Wonder Woman (2017): An Amazonian warrior princess leaves her sheltered island home to fight in World War I, discovering her true powers and destiny.
5. Iron Man (2008): A wealthy industrialist builds a high-tech suit of armor to escape captivity and ultimately becomes a superhero who fights against those who misuse technology.
 
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Hard to beat: "Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first person she meets and then teams up with three strangers to kill again." (The Wizard of Oz)
 
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I want to ask the physicists at this forum: how do you think, maybe this worldview if indeed possible?
As far as I understand, the MMI is mainstream now; the quantum pseutelepathy is a mainstream science too, so the things I said above are possible?
 
Even if everything you proposed was true, it would still be so speculative that your writings would not be viewed as hard science fiction.
 
I want to ask the people here who know MWI well, whether such interpretation is appropriate. After the second world war, two states (universes) appeared: |Hitler_won> and |Hitler_lost>.

As far as I know, MWI says that there is only one wavefunction of the multiuniverse, the evolution of states turns the vector from one state from another, and this simply alters the amplitudes of these states. So, it is more correct to say that there the state is pw*|Hitler_won>+pl*|Hitler_lost>. And it is even more correct to say that the state is pw*|Hitler_won>|We_know_that_Hitler_won> + pl* |Hitler_lost>|We_know_that_Hitler_lost>.

Then, maybe we can say: in the first universe, in 20th century, the Earth died in nuclear war, while in the second universe, a good super civilization appeared and Time Patrol was established. And it reduced the amplitude pw and increased the amplitude pl, this means that this future civilization made the universe where Hitler had won just a dream. Can you comment this?
 
Spathi said:
I want to ask the people here who know MWI well, whether such interpretation is appropriate.
No one will care. You don't even need to explain it. Just make up some technobabble if you really want to throw in a line about how it works.
 
One more question: can my idea described above be expressed in terms of two-state vector formalism (TSVF) interpretation?
 
jedishrfu said:
7. Whydunit: A mystery where the focus is on why something happened rather than just solving the crime. This genre explores the human psyche and motivations.
Or non-human! Robert Sawyer wrote a sci-fi story (actually called "Golden Fleece" (1990)) that takes place aboard a colony ship bound for a distant star. The killer is revealed on page one as the ship's AI. The rest of the story involves not just why it murdered a crewman, but what it is attempting to hide (they are, after all, in a speedy, locked, windowless room, where the only eyes are the AI's). The answer is rooted in the very science of interstellar travel, a harsh mistress indeed.

But I digress.
 
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Hello, I'd like to remind my question about the TVSF interpretation, and other interpretations: can you formulate the idea in this thread in terms of interpretations other than MWI?
 
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I personally can't answer that, as I've never even heard of TVSF.
 

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