Time-varying expectation values

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of time-varying expectation values in quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of a particle described by a superposition of stationary states. Participants explore the implications of having a time-dependent expectation value without an external perturbation, examining the underlying reasons for this behavior.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how a time-dependent expectation value can arise when the state is a superposition of stationary states, which are not time-dependent themselves.
  • Another participant notes that the different energies of the states lead to different time evolutions, contributing to the time-dependence of the expectation value.
  • A further contribution explains that in a single state, the time dependency cancels out due to the multiplication of the wavefunction by its complex conjugate, but in a superposition, cross terms remain that do not cancel due to differing energies.
  • One participant seeks a physical interpretation of the time-dependence without an external perturbation, indicating a need for clarification on the implications of this phenomenon.
  • Another participant suggests conceptualizing each eigenstate as a wave with different frequencies, leading to varying values over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the physical interpretation of time-dependent expectation values without external perturbations. While there is agreement on the mathematical basis for the time-dependence, the physical implications remain contested.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the physical interpretation of the time-dependent expectation value, and assumptions regarding the nature of the states and their energies are not fully explored.

Niles
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Hi all.

I have a question which arose from the answer of a homework problem. A particle is in the state given by

[tex] \left| \psi \right\rangle = \frac{1}{{\sqrt 3 }}\left[ {\left| \psi \right\rangle _1 + \left| \psi \right\rangle _2 + \left| \psi \right\rangle _3 } \right],[/tex]

where [itex]{\left| \psi \right\rangle }_i[/itex] is a stationary state of the Hamiltonian. Finding the expectation value of an operator Q in this state, it turns out that <Q> is time-dependent (in fact it oscillates). I was wondering how it is possible to have a time-dependent expectation value? If there was a time-dependent perturbation, then I would be convinced, since the state [itex]{\left| \psi \right\rangle }[/itex] would change over time, but in this case [itex]{\left| \psi \right\rangle }[/itex] doesn't change.
 
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the three states has different energies (eigenvalue of the hamiltonian) and thus they evolve in a different way.
 
When you have just a single state, calculating the expectation value of any operator requires you to multiply the wavefunction by it's complex conjugate. For that reason, the time dependency (the complex exponent) cancels out.
[tex]e^{ix} (e^{ix})^* = e^{ix}e^{-ix} = 1[/tex]

If however you have multiple states like now, the complex exponents do not cancel out. Actually, a few terms cancel out like usual, but you are left with cross terms that do not, since the states have different energies.
[tex]e^{ix_1} (e^{ix_2})^* = e^{ix_1}e^{-ix_2} \neq 1[/tex] (in general)
 
But what does this mean physically? I'm having a hard time interpreting how this can physically be possible without any external (time-varying) perturbation.
 
think of every eigenstate as a wave with different frequency, in this way the modulo has different value at different times.
 

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