Tipler/Mosca significant figures

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The discussion revolves around the application of significant figures in mathematical operations, specifically focusing on addition and subtraction as described in the Tipler and Mosca textbook. Participants explore the rules for determining significant figures in results, particularly when dealing with decimal places and scientific notation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether "number of significant figures after the decimal point" is equivalent to "decimal places," suggesting that it may be appropriate to refer to the result as "1.253 (3 d.p)."
  • Another participant asserts that when applying the rule to the expression 2.34×10^2 + 4.93, the result should be 2.39×10^2 due to the significant figures involved, arguing that 238.93 has too many significant figures.
  • A different participant emphasizes that the rule being applied for addition and subtraction differs from that used for multiplication and division, indicating that the previous response was incorrect based on the context of the operation.
  • One participant proposes a procedure for handling the addition in scientific notation, suggesting converting one number to match the other's decimal exponent before performing the addition and rounding off to account for insignificant digits.
  • It is noted that in multi-step calculations, significant figures should be tracked throughout without rounding after each operation, with final rounding reserved for the reported result.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of significant figures in the context of addition and subtraction, with no consensus reached on the correct interpretation of the rules or the final result of the example provided.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference different rules for significant figures based on the type of mathematical operation, highlighting potential confusion regarding the application of these rules in specific cases. There is also a mention of the importance of maintaining significant figures throughout multi-step calculations.

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In tipler and mosca it says that the number of significant figures in the result of addition or subtraction is no greater than the least number of significant figures beyond the decimal place of any of the numbers.

They give the example of 1.040+0.21342. Clearly, 1.040 has three significant figures beyond the decimal place whereas 0.21342 has five. So the result can only have a maximum of three significant figures beyond the decimal place. Hence 1.040+0.21342=1.253.

I have two questions:
1. Is "number of significant figures after the decimal point" simply another way of saying "decimal places"? (So would it be correct in the above example to say "1.253 (3 d.p)"?)
2. When we try to apply the rule to 2.34\cdot 10^2+4.93, is the answer 238.93 or 2.39*10^2, and why?
 
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walking said:
2. When we try to apply the rule to ##2.34\cdot 10^2+4.93##, is the answer 238.93 or 2.39*10^2, and why?
What rule are you applying? Note that the number of significant figures implied by the addition is 3 (what's to the left of the decimal counts) so 238.93 has 5 sig figs and is incorrect while 2.39×102 has 3 sig figs and is correct. For more on this go to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Significant_figures
 
kuruman said:
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What rule are you applying? Note that the number of significant figures implied by the addition is 3 (what's to the left of the decimal counts) so 238.93 has 5 sig figs and is incorrect while 2.39×102 has 3 sig figs and is correct. For more on this go to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Significant_figures
I am applying the rule I mentioned at the start of my post. Tipler and Mosca say that there are two separate rules, one for multiplication and division of numbers, the other for addition and subtraction. The rule you are telling me is the one they say should be applied to multiplication and division, not addition and subtraction. Thus, I think your answer is wrong.
 
walking said:
2. When we try to apply the rule to 2.34\cdot 10^2+4.93, is the answer 238.93 or 2.39*10^2, and why?
If you want to make it a procedure using scientific notation, you could do this:

1. Convert one of the two numbers to share the same decimal exponent as the other. So either $$2.34\cdot 10^2 + 0.0493 \cdot 10^2$$ or $$234\cdot 10^0 + 4.93\cdot 10^0$$
2. Perform the addition.
3. Round off to remove any result digits where either addend has become insignificant. Either way, the "93" in the sum is insignificant and is rounded away.

This procedure agrees with what @kuruman is saying.

Note: If you are doing a multi-step calculation, you would not round off after each operation. Instead, you would keep track of the significant figures at each step along the way, noting which digits are significant or insignificant. You would keep full accuracy throughout the calculation and round only for the final reported result.
 
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