To find the time taken for one vessel to reach another

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the time taken for one vessel to reach another, specifically focusing on the calculations related to relative velocities and angles in a two-dimensional motion context.

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  • The original poster attempts to reconcile their calculated time of 1283 seconds with a provided answer of 1754 seconds, using trigonometric relationships and relative velocity concepts. Some participants express agreement with the original poster's calculations, while others suggest that the 1754 seconds might represent a different aspect of the problem, such as total time or a return journey.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants verifying calculations and exploring different interpretations of the problem's parameters. There is a focus on ensuring accuracy in the reasoning and calculations presented, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants note the complexity of the numerical values involved and the potential for different interpretations of the time calculations, including considerations for return journeys and total time. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the correctness of the provided answer and the implications of their findings.

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To find the time taken for one vessel to reach another
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Could I please ask for help regarding my answer to the following question?

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I've done the first part and get the answer of 500 seconds.

I anticipated no problem with the second part, it is the same problem with different inputs, but I have disagreed with the provided answer of 1754 seconds. I get 1283 seconds. My method for this part is the same as for the first.

My reasoning was that after the 500 seconds has elapsed, A will have moved on a further 8 * 500 = 4000 metres and B will have moved on a further 10 * 500 = 5000 metres and the starting position will be as in the diagram below:

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So the angle ##\theta## is given by ##atan(\frac{1500\sqrt{3}+4000}{6500}) = 45.43^\circ##

Let the speed of the motor boat in the northerly direction (i) be ##M_x## and in the easterly direction (j) be ##M_y##, we know that ##M_x^2+M_y^2=14^2=196##

Finally, let ##V_{MA}=V_M-V_A## be the velocity of the motor boat relative to A. Then we have:

##V_{MA}=(M_x-8)\,i + M_y\,j##

Now, in order to intercept A, ##V_{MA}## must be parallel to the initial displacement of A from B. Thus we have (for a certain scalar K):

##(M_x-8)\,i + M_y\,j\,=\,sin(45.43^\circ)K\,i + cos(45.43^\circ)K\,j##

so

##(M_x-8)\,i + M_y\,j\,=\,0.7124K\,i + 0.7018K\,j##

And so ##M_x-8=0.7124K##

and ##M_y = 0.7018K##

which gives:

##(0.7124K+8)^2+(0.7018K)^2=196##

This is solved for K, I take positive root to give correct direction of travel parallel tp AB of K = 7.12574 and this leads to:

##M_y=0.7018*7.12574=5.065##

And so time taken to reach A is ##6500/5.065=1283 ##

Thanks for any help,
Mitch.
 
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I agree with your answer. 1754 s corresponds to a speed of 12.33 m/s.
 
Thanks for checking. The verification is important. Without it, it feels wrong to just assume the books answer incorrect. Mitch.
 
gnits said:
Thanks for checking. The verification is important. Without it, it feels wrong to just assume the books answer incorrect. Mitch.
The ##1754s## could be the total time. Although, I actually get an answer of ##1300s## for the return journey.

The numbers in this problem defeated me, so I retreated into the sanctuary of algebra and got:
$$ t = \frac{1}{v^2 - u^2}(lu + \sqrt{(lu)^2 + d^2(v^2 - u^2)})$$
Where ##v## is the speed of the motor boat, ##u## the speed of the boat it's chasing; ##d## is the initial total distance between the motor boat and the target and ##l## is the initial distance in the direction of ##u##.
 
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