To find the tipping point of a lamina

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The discussion focuses on finding the tipping point of a lamina shaped as a square metal plate with a portion removed. The centroid's distance from a reference edge is calculated, leading to a derived formula for equilibrium conditions that must be met for stability. A critical inequality, 2x^3 - 54x + 81 ≥ 0, is established to determine when the lamina can remain balanced. The calculations confirm that a horizontal force of 12.2 Newtons is needed to maintain equilibrium when a specific dimension is set. The participants clarify the conditions for equilibrium and the correct interpretation of the problem's requirements.
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To find the tipping point of a lamina
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Balance of torques
Could I please ask for help with the following:

ABCD is a uniform square metal plate of side 3m. Points E and F are taken on AB and BC respectively such that BE = BF = x m and the portion BEF is removed.

1) Find the distance of the centroid of the remainder from AD

2) Show that the remainder cannot stand in equilibrium on AE with AD vertical unless 2x^3-54x+81 >= 0

3) If the mass of the remainder is 14kg, find in Newtons the least horizontal force applied at C required to maintain it in equilibrium in this position when x = 2.


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1) I believe I'm ok with this part. Let w = weight per unit area of lamina.

Weight of ABCD is 9w
Weight of BEF is (1/2)x^2w
Weight of AEFCD is therefore ( 9 - (1/2)x^2 )w

Distance of COG of ABCD from AD is 3/2
Distance of COG of BED from AD is (3-x+3 + 3) / 3 = (9-x)/3

Equating moments of these parts about AD gives:

9w * (3/2) + (1/2)x^2w * (9-x)/3 = (9 - (1/2)x^2)w * X

where X is the x-ordinate of the centre of gravity = distance of centroid from AD

This solves to give X = (81 - x^2(9-x)) / 3(18-x^2)

2) Given the above answer I would have said that the condition for the remainder to stand in equilibrium with AD vertical would be that X <= 3 - x otherwise the C.O.G. would be to the right of E. So this leads to (81 - x^2(9-x)) / 3(18-x^2) <= x - 3 which (using Wolfram Alpha for speed of checking) leads to x >= 9/2. Not the required answer.

3) OK with this part and it gives me confidence in my answer to part 1 because I get the book answer of 12.2N.

Here we are told that x = 2, and so E is at 3 - 2 = 1. From the above formula we get that X is at 53/42 and so overhangs E by 53/42 - 1 = 11/42. So with a force f acting at C to preserve equilibrium we can say that moments about E should by zero. Force down is 14g = 14 * 10 Newtons . This leads to:

14 * 10 * (11/42) + f * 3 = 0

Which solves to give f = 12.2 Newtons.

Thanks for any help with part 2.

Mitch.
 
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gnits said:
2) Given the above answer I would have said that the condition for the remainder to stand in equilibrium with AD vertical would be that X <= 3 - x otherwise the C.O.G. would be to the right of E. So this leads to (81 - x^2(9-x)) / 3(18-x^2) <= x - 3 which (using Wolfram Alpha for speed of checking) leads to x >= 9/2. Not the required answer.
"(81 - x^2(9-x)) / 3(18-x^2) <= x - 3"
should be
(81 - x^2(9-x)) / 3(18-x^2) <= 3 - x

Other thoughts...

x= 9/2 (m) clearly can't be correct because the maximum possible value of x is 3m (as you probably already realize).

The question only asks you to show ##2x^3 - 54x+81 ≥ 0##, not to determine the ‘critical value’ of x. So you are not asked to solve ##2x^3 - 54x+81 = 0##. You just need to simplify$$\frac {81 – x^2(9-x)} {3(18-x^2)} ≤ 3-x$$to show it gives the required inequality.
 
Steve4Physics said:
"(81 - x^2(9-x)) / 3(18-x^2) <= x - 3"
should be
(81 - x^2(9-x)) / 3(18-x^2) <= 3 - x

Other thoughts...

x= 9/2 (m) clearly can't be correct because the maximum possible value of x is 3m (as you probably already realize).

The question only asks you to show ##2x^3 - 54x+81 ≥ 0##, not to determine the ‘critical value’ of x. So you are not asked to solve ##2x^3 - 54x+81 = 0##. You just need to simplify$$\frac {81 – x^2(9-x)} {3(18-x^2)} ≤ 3-x$$to show it gives the required inequality.
Thanks very much. Massive help. I see it now.
Mitch.
 
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