Tokamak Transformer Properties

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the properties of transformers in Tokamak devices, particularly regarding their operation limits in terms of volt-seconds and the implications for maintaining plasma temperature and confinement. Participants explore the relationship between transformer saturation, excitation current, and the need for external power sources in the context of nuclear fusion via magnetic confinement.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the concept of transformers operating under a limit of volt-seconds and whether this is unique to Tokamak devices or a broader principle.
  • Another participant explains the relationship between voltage, coil area, and the rate of change of the magnetic field, introducing the concept of saturation and its effects on transformer operation.
  • A follow-up question seeks clarification on how saturation leads to interruptions in transformer operation and the implications for maintaining plasma conditions.
  • Further discussion highlights the need for a constant rate of change in the magnetic field to maintain the poloidal electric field, linking this to the excitation current and the limits of iron permeability.
  • Participants discuss the necessity of additional input to retain temperature and confinement when volt-second accumulation ceases, raising questions about the operational limits of the ITER transformer.
  • One participant introduces the concept of the betatron accelerator, drawing parallels between its operation and the requirements for the Tokamak transformer, emphasizing the dual functions of the magnetic field.
  • Resources for further reading are shared, including a book on particle accelerators that may provide deeper insights into the discussed concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement on the technical details of transformer operation in Tokamaks, with some points remaining contested or unclear, particularly regarding the implications of volt-seconds and the necessity of transformers versus direct energization of coils.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential missing assumptions about the operation of transformers in Tokamaks, dependencies on specific definitions of volt-seconds, and unresolved mathematical relationships related to transformer saturation and excitation current.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying nuclear fusion, magnetic confinement, electrical engineering, and particle accelerator technologies.

teroenza
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Hello all,
I am a layman who is interested in nuclear fusion via magnetic confinement (the Tokamak setup). I recently read in a book about how the (a) transformer in the device could operate only for some number of "volt-seconds" before it had to be "recharged". This requires an additional outside source to keep the plasma temp. up in the meantime. I have never heard of this property of transformers. Is this something unique to this type of device, or a fundamental concept I missed?

Thank you

Google books page link, the specific text is on page 128

http://books.google.com/books?id=pPqq7EvBDZkC&lpg=PA154&dq=plasma%20physics%20Eliezer&pg=PA128#v=onepage&q=transformer&f=false
 
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For the usual Faraday induction law the voltage on the secondary is:

V = - A·dB/dt (volts)

where V is the output voltage (per turn), A is the coil area, and dB/dt is the rate of change of the primary magnetic field. Rewriting this and integrating, we get

∫V·dt = - A·∫dB , or

V·Δt = - A·ΔB (volt seconds).

The volt-seconds limit is when the ΔB reaches the maximum due to current limit, or the iron saturates. This is why sometimes 60-Hz transformers will not work properly on 50-Hz power.

Bob S
 
Thank you for your reply. So the saturation of the iron must be dealt with somehow, and this would cause the mentioned interruption?
 
teroenza said:
Thank you for your reply. So the saturation of the iron must be dealt with somehow, and this would cause the mentioned interruption?
To maintain a constant poloidal voltage per turn, or poloidal electric field, you need a constant dB/dt (constantly increasing B), which means a constantly increasing excitation current. Running out of excitation current or out of iron relative permeability μ will cause the volt-seconds accumulation to stop. ITER needs over ~200 (~270?) volt seconds.

Bob S
 
And when the volt-second accumulation stops, this interrupts the operation of the transformer long enough to require the additional input to retain temperature and confinement? Also, you speak of ITER "needing" 200-270 volt-seconds. Do you mean that its transformer is "good for" or can sustain the conditions for that period of time before needing to be "recharged"? Finally, I know this is more complicated than I currently understand, but if an excitation current is needed for the poloidal field, why is a transformer necessary for that current (as opposed to directly energizing those coils).

Thank you
 
The idea for the poloidal electric field (volt-seconds) is the basic concept for the betatron accelerator. In the betatron, a constantly changing magnetic field f produces an azimuthal electric field. The same magnet in the betatron produces a vertical magnetic field to force the electrons into a circular orbit. So there are two separate functions of the magnetic field in a betatron: 1) the magnetic field forces the charged particles into a circular orbit, and 2) a changing magnetic field produces an azimuthal electric field to accelerate the charged particles. This latter effect is limited by volt-seconds. Read about betatrons by downloading the book "Principles of Particle Accelerators" (free) at

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...-cSxBA&usg=AFQjCNG_R_1TVNZD-9KTusPR3vJO_T9_eA.

and reading about betatrons in Chapter 11. Now, after reviewing the equations for the betatron accelerator, apply them to ITER.

Bob S
 
Thank you for your reply, and also for the download site. The book I linked to did not go deep enough for me to explore the topic further, the book you provided seems to do the trick.
 

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