Topics in your first physics year.

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The discussion revolves around the introductory physics curriculum experienced by students in different countries, particularly focusing on the topics covered in the first year of physics education. Participants share their personal experiences and educational systems, highlighting variations in content and teaching methods.

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  • One participant notes that in Pakistan, physics is introduced in Class 9, covering topics such as Measurement, Kinematics, and Gravitation.
  • Another participant describes the US system, mentioning "AP Physics C," which is calculus-based and divided into Mechanics and Electricity and Magnetism, and "AP Physics B," which is algebra-based and covers a broader range of topics but with less depth.
  • A participant reflects on their decision to not take physics in high school, expressing mixed feelings about their choice and the challenges faced in college physics.
  • Some participants discuss the teaching methods, indicating that textbooks are primarily used and exams often rely on rote learning, particularly in the context of matric exams in Pakistan.
  • Concerns are raised about the effectiveness of traditional teaching methods, with one participant criticizing the marking system that allows students to succeed without a deep understanding of the material.
  • There is mention of the differences in educational standards between traditional schools and those offering GCE O'Levels, with a participant expressing frustration over the disparities in marking systems.

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Participants express a range of experiences and opinions regarding physics education, with some agreeing on the challenges of rote learning and the effectiveness of different curricula, while others highlight the limitations and frustrations of their respective systems. No consensus is reached on the superiority of one educational approach over another.

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Participants note that the effectiveness of learning may vary significantly based on the educational system and the resources available, including the reliance on textbooks and standardized exams. The discussion reflects a variety of educational contexts without resolving the differences in approaches.

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When you study physics for the first time in school what grade,class or year is it? And what are the topics in your first year? I live in Pakistan and we start Physics in Class 9 (at approximately 16 years of age). The topics we study are as under.
-Measurement
-Kinematics
-Scalars and Vectors
-Equilibrium and Torque
-Force,Motion and Momentum
-Circular Motion
-Gravitation
-Work,Energy and Power
-Simple Machines
-Heat
-Properties of Matter
After that is class 10 (which I am currently studying) at the end of which we give our matric exam (approx equivalent of GCE O' levels though easier).
 
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PrincePhoenix said:
When you study physics for the first time in school what grade,class or year is it? And what are the topics in your first year? I live in Pakistan and we start Physics in Class 9 (at approximately 16 years of age). The topics we study are as under.
-Measurement
-Kinematics
-Scalars and Vectors
-Equilibrium and Torque
-Force,Motion and Momentum
-Circular Motion
-Gravitation
-Work,Energy and Power
-Simple Machines
-Heat
-Properties of Matter
After that is class 10 (which I am currently studying) at the end of which we give our matric exam (approx equivalent of GCE O' levels though easier).

That's just about right. Here in the US, we have this thing called "AP Physics C (calculus based)" divided into 2 parts:

1. Mechanics (which covers what you listed above)
2. Electricity and Magnetism

Some schools offer the two class as 1 semester classes (so both can be covered in a full year) - just like the typical sequence in college. However, most schools cover each in a year, which makes it 2 years to complete both sequences.

Then there is another class called "AP Physics B (algebra based)" which covers all topics from mechanics and E&M to modern physics in a full year, but is more shallow and less in-depth than the C curriculum.
 
I did not take physics in high school. In high school, I thought I wanted to be a doctor, so I took every bio course my school offered and opted out of physics. Not exactly sure if I regret it. The first quarter of physics in college was brutal, but I rebounded fairly well after that.
 
thrill3rnit3 said:
That's just about right. Here in the US, we have this thing called "AP Physics C (calculus based)" divided into 2 parts:

1. Mechanics (which covers what you listed above)
2. Electricity and Magnetism

Some schools offer the two class as 1 semester classes (so both can be covered in a full year) - just like the typical sequence in college. However, most schools cover each in a year, which makes it 2 years to complete both sequences.

Then there is another class called "AP Physics B (algebra based)" which covers all topics from mechanics and E&M to modern physics in a full year, but is more shallow and less in-depth than the C curriculum.
Electricity and magnetism , optics are all taught in 10th class over here. But ours are algebra based. No calculus based physics over here in schools (We call grades till K-10 school). And how are you taught? We have a textbook with all the
topics and we are taught according to it. Then when we have our exams (standardized or not) , everything comes from text in the book. So our exams can be usually passed by rote learning (at least till our matric exams). And what is the marking system in your country? We are given numbers (e.g 70/75 etc).
 
Flat said:
I did not take physics in high school. In high school, I thought I wanted to be a doctor, so I took every bio course my school offered and opted out of physics. Not exactly sure if I regret it. The first quarter of physics in college was brutal, but I rebounded fairly well after that.

Heh, I opted out of biology in high school and took extra physics and math. And then I realized I wanted to be a doctor. Sadly that realization only came to me around the end of my second year of grad school...
 
PrincePhoenix said:
Electricity and magnetism , optics are all taught in 10th class over here. But ours are algebra based. No calculus based physics over here in schools (We call grades till K-10 school).

That's the "B" curriculum of our AP Physics course. There is a wide range of contents, but they're not delved in as deeply as the "C" curriculum.

PrincePhoenix said:
And how are you taught? We have a textbook with all the
topics and we are taught according to it. Then when we have our exams (standardized or not) , everything comes from text in the book

I think that's a pretty standard way of learning wherever you are :wink:

PrincePhoenix said:
So our exams can be usually passed by rote learning (at least till our matric exams).

Same goes here, I guess. If you know your stuff, you'll do fine on tests.

It's a different thing for competitions/olympiads though. You'll need to do more than memorize a bunch of formulas.

PrincePhoenix said:
And what is the marking system in your country? We are given numbers (e.g 70/75 etc).

Depends on the school.
 
thrill3rnit3 said:
I think that's a pretty standard way of learning wherever you are :wink:
Actually its in the traditional outdated system. The schools which offer GCE O'Levels have better teaching and testing standards. Unfortunately there is a disadvantage in their marking system if one wants to continue learning in our traditional system. Furthermore, those schools are very expensive. But the thing that really makes me angry is the fact that a person who doesn't understand a thing can beat you in marks.
 

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