Can a Student with Struggles in Advanced Topics Succeed in Physics?

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The discussion revolves around the challenges faced by a first-year physics student who is interested in studying advanced topics such as Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity while simultaneously managing foundational coursework. Participants explore the implications of pursuing advanced studies without a solid grasp of the basics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to study advanced topics like black hole geometry and quantum field theory, despite struggling with some concepts.
  • Another participant questions what is meant by "getting into trouble" when studying advanced concepts.
  • Some participants argue that mastering the fundamentals is crucial for understanding advanced topics, suggesting that a strong foundation will lead to deeper comprehension later.
  • There is a concern that focusing too much on advanced topics may hinder performance in essential math courses.
  • A participant warns that neglecting foundational studies could lead to poor grades and potentially dropping out of the physics program.
  • Some participants emphasize that advanced topics involve intricate subtleties that require a solid understanding of basic principles.
  • There is a recognition that while self-study is valuable, it should not come at the expense of university coursework.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of mastering fundamental concepts before tackling advanced topics. However, there is disagreement on the balance between self-study and university coursework, as well as the potential consequences of focusing too heavily on advanced subjects.

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Participants express varying degrees of concern regarding the time required to learn foundational topics and the potential impact on academic performance. There is an acknowledgment that advanced topics cannot be fully understood without a solid grasp of the basics.

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I'm a 20 years old student in the first year course to get a bachelor degree on physics.

My question is: is it ok for a person like me, frequently getting into trouble when studying some advanced topics on Quantum Mechanics or General Relativity?

In my course, we are learning about basic physics. But while my class collegues are learning basic introductory Math and general physics, I want to study advanced topics, like, geometry of black holes, quantum field theory, because I think it is much more interesting, fascinating and funny. I go to the university library and start reading the books I see there. And in most cases I fine understand the concepts and the Math, but sometimes I feel like I'm a retard because I simply don't understand things.

And I cannt study only those subjects, because I must spend some time studying calculus, linear algebra, etc, to get good results on my exames.

(I'm sorry for my bad English.)
 
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What do you mean by "getting into trouble" when you're studying these advanced concepts?

kent davidge said:
In my course, we are learning about basic physics. But while my class collegues are learning basic introductory Math and general physics, I want to study advanced topics, like, geometry of black holes, quantum field theory, because I think it is much more interesting, fascinating and funny. I go to the university library and start reading the books I see there. And in most cases I fine understand the concepts and the Math, but sometimes I feel like I'm a retard because I simply don't understand things.

I can't see any reason that you should feel stupid if you're studying things that are well beyond your current skill level.
 
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Focus on your university studies, you will learn those topics later on anyway..so build a good strong foundation in the basics otherwise it you will struggle much more later on.
 
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Quantum field theory and GR are very intricate topics which also involve lot of subtleties. I pretty much learn something new each time I use one of the standard books for reference in research. So as you learn more physics, starting with the foundation you get from the core classes, you will go back and gain a deeper understanding each time.
 
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@kent davidge, are you "getting into trouble" because you spend too much time self-studying instead of studying for your university? :devil:
 
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Fervent Freyja said:
@kent davidge, are you "getting into trouble" because you spend too much time self-studying instead of studying for your university? :devil:
Right. :biggrin::biggrin:
 
I think a lot of people don't fully appreciate how important it is to master the fundamentals in order to be successful in learning topics like QFT or GR. Even if you can read a QFT book and go through the technicalities, you won't be able to fully appreciate the subject if you don't have the context. For example, I have heard undergrads interested in field theory say stat mech is really boring, when there are actually a ton of very deep connections between the two.

So when you say you want to study QFT and GR because they are most interesting, you should keep in mind that the motivation for these subjects comes from the more elementary things you are learning, and if you miss out on those, you will miss out on the most interesting aspects of QFT and GR.
 
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radium said:
I think a lot of people don't fully appreciate how important it is to master the fundamentals in order to be successful in learning topics like QFT or GR. Even if you can read a QFT book and go through the technicalities, you won't be able to fully appreciate the subject if you don't have the context. For example, I have heard undergrads interested in field theory say stat mech is really boring, when there are actually a ton of very deep connections between the two.

So when you say you want to study QFT and GR because they are most interesting, you should keep in mind that the motivation for these subjects comes from the more elementary things you are learning, and if you miss out on those, you will miss out on the most interesting aspects of QFT and GR.

If it was possible to learn all the fundamentals in one day... the problem is that it takes much time to learn those things.
 
kent davidge said:
If it was possible to learn all the fundamentals in one day... the problem is that it takes much time to learn those things.

Quantum mechanics and GR cannot be comprehended without the basics.
 
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heres what WILL happen:

1. you will fail or get really bad marks at your basic math courses.
2. You will never get a good grip on GR and other things etc because you are not good at math.
3. You will even drop out of physics at worst.
 

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