Topology Questions: Isham's Modern Differential Geometry for Physicists

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The discussion revolves around the introductory concepts of topology as presented in Isham's "Modern Differential Geometry for Physicists," particularly in the context of preparing for general relativity. Participants are exploring definitions and implications related to filters, neighbourhood structures, and topological spaces.

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Main Points Raised

  • A participant expresses difficulty with the introductory chapter on topology and seeks guidance on a theorem regarding neighbourhood spaces and filters.
  • Another participant suggests that studying differential geometry is not strictly necessary for understanding general relativity, indicating that standard textbooks cover the required geometry.
  • A request for definitions of key terms such as topological spaces, filters, filter bases, and open sets is made to clarify the discussion.
  • A detailed set of definitions is provided by one participant, explaining the concepts of filters, filter bases, neighbourhood structures, boundary points, and topological spaces.
  • The participant concludes that a filter is generated by a filter base, which is relevant to the theorem in question.

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There is no consensus on the necessity of differential geometry for studying general relativity, as some participants argue it is not required while others imply it may be beneficial. The discussion on the theorem and its implications remains unresolved, with participants seeking further clarification.

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Participants have not fully resolved the implications of the theorem regarding filters and their bases, and there may be assumptions about the reader's familiarity with the terminology that are not explicitly stated.

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I'm a physics student and I'm trying to work my way through Isham's Modern differential geometry for physicists. I guess the first question would be what you guys think of this book, does it cover all the necessary stuff (it's my preparation for general relativity)? Sadly I'm already having trouble with the introductory chapter on topology.. I'll post my questions in this topic.

Isham starts out by defining filters and neighbourhood structures on a set X. A topological space is then a special kind of neighbourhood space. The proof of the following theorem is left up to the reader, but this reader needs some pointers..

"A neighbourhood space (X,N) is a topological space if and only if each filter N(x) has a filter base consisting of open sets."

When a filter base consists of open sets, what consequences does that have for the filter it generates?
 
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You don't have to study differential geometry to prepare for general relativity. The standard books used for both undergrad and grad courses develop the geometry that is needed to understand the theory. It's surprisingly not that much. When you want to study a more advanced treatment of some of the topics in relativity, that book will come in handy.
 
It would help us if you defined your terms. How are topological spaces defined? Filters? Filter bases? Open sets? etc. etc.
 
Ok, here are all the definitions that have been used:

The power set P(X) of a set X is a lattice, with [tex]A \preceq B[/tex] defined as [tex]A \subset B[/tex]. Now a subset U of P(X) is an upper set if [tex]\forall a,b \in P(x)[/tex] with [tex]a \subset b[/tex], [tex]a \in U[/tex] implies [tex]b \in U[/tex].

A filter F on X is a family of subsets of X such that F is algebraically closed under finite intersections, F is an upper family, and the empty set is not in F.

A filter base D is a family of non-empty subsets of X such that if [tex]A,B \in D[/tex], then there exists [tex]C \in D[/tex] such that [tex]C \subset (A \cap B)[/tex]

A neighbourhood structure N on X is an assignment of a filter N(x) to each [tex]x \in X[/tex], all of whose elements contain the point x. The pair (N,X) is then called a neighbourhood space.

Given a neighbourhood space (N,X) and any set [tex]A \in X[/tex], a point x in X is a boundary point of A if every neighbourhood of x intersects both A and the complement of A (a neighbourhood of x is an element of N(x)). An open set is then a set that contains none of its boundary points.

I suppose "each filter N(x) has a filter base" means that the filters N(x) are generated by those bases. In that case, here's the final definition:
If D is a filter base, then [tex]\uparrow(D) := \{B \subset X| \exists A \in D \ such \ that \ A \subset B\}[/tex] is a filter, which is said to be generated by D.

Edit: forgot one.. A topological space is a neighbourhood space (X,N) in which, for all x in X and for all M in N(x), there exists [tex]M_1 \in N(x)[/tex] such that, for all [tex]y \in M_1[/tex], [tex]M \in N(y)[/tex].
 
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