Torque and volumetric efficiency relationship

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The discussion centers on the relationship between torque and volumetric efficiency in internal combustion engines, exploring how these two quantities interact and the implications for engine performance. Participants examine theoretical aspects, practical design considerations, and the impact of engine speed (rpm) on these relationships.

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  • Some participants suggest that maximum torque occurs when volumetric efficiency is also at its peak, linking the two quantities through the combustion process.
  • Others argue that while better volumetric efficiency allows for more air and fuel to be burned, leading to increased torque, this relationship is complex and influenced by engine design factors such as intake and exhaust systems.
  • A participant challenges the notion that maximum torque corresponds directly to maximum volumetric efficiency, proposing that maximum horsepower is where the most fuel is burned and energy is utilized, indicating a different relationship between torque and volumetric efficiency.
  • There is a call for clarification on the definition of volumetric efficiency, with a suggestion to refer to external sources for verification.
  • One participant expresses frustration at perceived misunderstandings of the original question and the responses provided, indicating a lack of clarity in the discussion.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the relationship between torque and volumetric efficiency, with multiple competing views presented and some disagreements on definitions and implications.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of volumetric efficiency and torque, as well as the conditions under which these relationships hold true. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations and technical nuances that are not fully reconciled.

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Hello Guys,

From the torque curves of most of the ic engines it can be seen that torque is maximum at a particular rpm range then it starts dropping. It is said that the torque is maximum when the volumetric efficiency is maximum , i just can't understand the relationship between the both these quantities.
 
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Better volumetric effficiency means more air; more air means more fuel can be burned; more fuel burned means bigger explosion; bigger explosion means more torque.

Volumetric efficiency depends on intake & exhaust design and valve overture. Unless there is a variable design (variable valve timing for example), the system is usually tuned for a certain rpm range, hence the peak torque at a certain rpm.

As rpm increases, the intake and/or exhaust system can choked, not being able to fill completely the cylinder, hence a drop in volumetric efficiency.
 
jack action said:
Better volumetric effficiency means more air; more air means more fuel can be burned; more fuel burned means bigger explosion; bigger explosion means more torque.

Volumetric efficiency depends on intake & exhaust design and valve overture. Unless there is a variable design (variable valve timing for example), the system is usually tuned for a certain rpm range, hence the peak torque at a certain rpm.

As rpm increases, the intake and/or exhaust system can choked, not being able to fill completely the cylinder, hence a drop in volumetric efficiency.
That is not exactly true. volumetric efficency is the ratio of engergy consumed vs energy generated. i believe this to be at max torque, but it doesn't mean its at the point where the most amount of air and fuel is burned. that will happen at max HP. Hp-seconds is the unit measure of work. the most energy will be used at max hp because that is the engines greatest capacity for work, so most amount of fuel will be used at ths point in the curve. Max torque of the engine is only about the angles and sizes of pistons and cranks... the torque you are really concerned about, is that at the rear wheels, through the gear box. The greatest acceleration forces will happen at max HP, NOT a max torque for any given vehicle speed.
 
Zanick write equation down for volumetric efficiency.

Check your work with the oracles of google if you like.

By the way, you've totally missed the point of the OP's question, and have subsequently made a total mess of trying to contradict jacks answer.
 
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