I am still trying to visualize horsepower and torque seen on the racetrack, and its hard. Obviously torque is a component of horsepower. Without enough torque, a car would take forever to reach its power-band. With a lot of torque, but merely no horsepower, a car would have a very steady acceleration curve, however, it would be slow. so far correct? I hear the car guys talking about how torque wins the races, (which annoys the **** out of me) when in reality, the truth to that is that smaller engine cars have a shorter powerband, and it takes longer to approach that powerband, when compared to muscle cars, correct? Proposal: What if in a completely theoretical situation, car had an infinitely variable gear ratio (such as a cvt), calibrated in a manner that kept the engine speed at its optimum powerband, regardless of the vehicle speed. So Im saying from a complete stop to a half mile, a vehicle goes full throttle while the computer adjusts the engine speed to remain at a constant rate. Would torque be utterly useless in this fairytale situation? Obviously with no torque, it would be theoretically impossible to get something moving. But with negligible torque, could a small sized combustion engine with a significant amount of horsepower be used to tug a tractor, just as well as a larger sized diesel engine with the same hp output? (taking vehicle weight out of the equation) This helps someone visualize that torque rating (on dyno sheets) is only useful for having a steady powerband for a duration of acceleration before changing gears. Which obviously on most production sports cars, is highly sought after. This theoretical situation could shut up the torque enthusiasts, right? Obviously its only theoretical, but if you want a real life application of this, its called a race transmission. Many top end race cars have transmissions geared so close that they are merely in there powerband 100% of the time. Rendering bottom end torque not that important. I MUST STRESS that I am only speaking relatively here. Its obvious with todays technology, performance cars need a good amount of torque to compensate for gear changes, ect. But consider the future, if we could design a continuously variable transmission strong enough to withstand lots of horsepower, and able to keep an engine at its optimum power band merely 100% of the time. Please correct me if i'm wrong, and I would love discussing this, further.