Total energy of the normal mode on a string

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The discussion revolves around the total energy of normal modes on a string, specifically focusing on the relationship between kinetic energy and displacement in simple harmonic motion (SHM).

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants express confusion regarding the timing of maximum kinetic energy in relation to displacement. Some attempt to clarify the relationship between velocity and displacement in SHM, while others question the assumptions made in the problem setup.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the timing of maximum kinetic energy and displacement, but there is no explicit consensus on the initial assumptions.

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There appears to be some ambiguity regarding the definitions and relationships in the context of SHM, particularly concerning the timing of maximum values for kinetic energy and displacement.

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Seems a little strange to me, that is, it considers the maximum kinetic energy when the displacement of the oscillators is maximum, i don't think this is right.
 
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Anyway, we could solve it by:
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Just take theta equal zero (it doesn't matter) and
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(omega n is just one thing, i don't know how to write the little n)
BTW, this will implies y = 0, where AFAIK is the true position where v is maximum
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LCSphysicist said:
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Seems a little strange to me, that is, it considers the maximum kinetic energy when the displacement of the oscillators is maximum, i don't think this is right.

The max KE occurs when the velocity ##\dot y_n## is max. So, the first equality in the equation is correct. For SHM ## (\dot y_n)_{\rm max}## has a value equal to ##\omega_n (y_n)_{\rm max}##. So, you get the second equality. The relation ## (\dot y_n)_{\rm max} = \omega_n (y_n)_{\rm max} ## is not meant to imply that the maximum value of ##\dot y_n## occurs at the same instant of time as the maximum value of ##y_n##.
 
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TSny said:
The max KE occurs when the velocity ##\dot y_n## is max. So, the first equality in the equation is correct. For SHM ## (\dot y_n)_{\rm max}## has a value equal to ##\omega_n (y_n)_{\rm max}##. So, you get the second equality. The relation ## (\dot y_n)_{\rm max} = \omega_n (y_n)_{\rm max} ## is not meant to imply that the maximum value of ##\dot y_n## occurs at the same instant of time as the maximum value of ##y_n##.
Yeh...You are right, thank you.
 

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