Total potential energy due to gravitational and electrostatic potential energy

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The discussion revolves around calculating the total potential energy of two dust particles that are separated by a distance of 0.01m, considering both gravitational and electrostatic potential energies. The context involves applying relevant equations for both types of potential energy, with specific values for mass and charge provided.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of electric and gravitational potential energies and question how to combine them to find the total potential energy. There is uncertainty regarding whether to sum the energies directly or to consider their magnitudes.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided calculations for the individual potential energies, while others are exploring the implications of these values and questioning the overall potential energy of the system. There is no explicit consensus on how to combine the energies, and the discussion is ongoing.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the reference point for potential energy, with one suggesting that the potential energy is zero when the particles are infinitely far apart. There is a lack of clarity on the assumptions regarding the reference points for potential energy calculations.

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Homework Statement


Two dust particles are separated by 0.01m and of the same mass and charge, find the total potential energy

Homework Equations


[tex]E_{el}=k\frac{q_1 q_2}{r}[/tex]

[tex]E_{grav}=-G\frac{m_1 m_2}{r}[/tex]

[tex]r=0.01 m[/tex], [tex]q_1=q_2=1.1201\times10^{-18} C[/tex] [tex]m_1=m_2=13\times10^{-9} kg[/tex]
Where G and k are the gravitational and Coulomb's constant respectively.

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]E_{el}=1.128\times10^{-24} J[/tex]

[tex]E_{grav}=-1.128\times10^{-24} J[/tex]

Not sure whether it [tex]E_{tot}=E_{el}+E_{grav}[/tex] or [tex]E_{tot}=\left|E_{el}\right|+\left|E_{grav}\right|[/tex]?
 
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you have found the electric and gravitational field. now calculate the potentials. total will be the sum of the potentials, not sum of their magnitudes.
 
So the potential energy of the system is zero?
 
why should it be zero?
 
Well I have found the electrostatic and gravitational potential energies

[tex]E_{el}=1.128\times10^{-24} J[/tex]
and
[tex]E_{grav}=-1.128\times10^{-24} J[/tex]

Is it not their sum? I'm taking [tex]r=0[/tex] as the particles being together and [tex]E_{pot}=0[/tex] at [tex]r=\infty[/tex]
 

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