Trace of momentum-space propagator

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The discussion revolves around the properties of the momentum-space propagator and the evaluation of the trace of the inverse of a matrix A, typically associated with a Lagrangian in quantum field theory. Participants explore the implications of transforming expressions from position to momentum space and the conditions under which certain representations hold.

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  • One participant presents an integral involving a Gaussian and claims it equals a specific expression involving the determinant of A, questioning how A^{-1} can be diagonal in momentum representation.
  • Another participant argues that the trace of A or lnA is not equivalent to an expression involving a current j(x), suggesting that A's eigenvectors are monochromatic waves, leading to specific eigenvalue expressions.
  • A third participant discusses the properties of Fourier transforms and their role in diagonalizing matrices, asserting that the resulting matrix D(k,q) is not diagonal due to the presence of a delta function that suggests a different relationship between j(k) and j(-k).
  • A later reply emphasizes the general condition j^{\dagger}(k) = j(-k) and reformulates the expression to reflect this, arguing for the necessity of a unitary transformation in the context of diagonalization.
  • Another participant reiterates that the trace should be independent of the choice of j(x) and clarifies their understanding of "momentum representation" as relating to eigen solutions rather than merely changing integration measures.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between the trace of A and the expressions involving j(x). There is no consensus on whether A^{-1} is diagonal in momentum space, as some argue it is not due to the presence of delta functions, while others maintain that it can be diagonal under certain conditions.

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Participants highlight limitations in their arguments, including the dependence on the choice of j(x) and the conditions under which certain properties hold, such as the nature of eigenvectors and the implications of Fourier transforms.

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The integral:

\int \Pi_k d\phi_k e^{-\phi_i A_{ij} \phi_j}

is a Gaussian and is equal to:

(\pi)^{n/2}\sqrt{det(A^{-1})}= (\pi)^{n/2} e^{\frac{1}{2}Tr ln A^{-1}}

Now usually A is a diagonal matrix that represents the Lagrangian (so that the sum over i and j collapses to a sum just over i, and this sum is converted to an integral for continuum), and A^{-1} would then be the propagator matrix.

The book I'm reading says that the trace of A^{-1} is best evaluated in the momentum representation where it is diagonal. But how is A^{-1} diagonal in this representation?

For example if you take this expression:

e^{\int \int dx dy j(x) A^{-1}(x,y) j(y)}

but change to momentum space then you get something like:

e^{\int dk j(-k) A^{-1}(k) j(k)}=e^{\int \int dk dq j(q) A^{-1}(k) \delta(k+q) j(k)}

Doesn't this suggest that A^{-1} is not diagonal in momentum space? If it were diagonal, then there would be a \delta(k-q) and not \delta(k+q) on the RHS.
 
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I'm pretty sure TrA (or Tr(lnA)) is not the same as \int \int dx dy j(x) A^{-1}(x,y) j(y)<br /> because this expression depend on j(x) you choose.
I think your book means usually A's eigenvectors are monochromatic waves, for example if A is the Klein-Gordon operator, then A's eigenvectors are expi(kx-wt) with eigenvalues
{\omega ^2} = {k^2} + {m^2}, then the trace is just the sum of all eigenvalues:
\begin{array}{l}<br /> TrA = \int {dk(} {k^2} + {m^2}) \\ <br /> Tr\ln {A^{ - 1}} = \int {dk} \ln \frac{1}{{{k^2} + {m^2}}} \\ <br /> \end{array}
 
A Fourier transform F is a type of linear transform, so if F diagonalizes a matrix A, then for any two vectors x and y:

x^TAy= x^T(F^{T}DF)y=(Fx)^TD(Fy)<br />
for a diagonal matrix D.

So if you allow j(x) and j(y) to be your vectors x and y except in continuum, then for the Fourier transforms F[j(x)]=j(k), I think the continuum analog should be:


<br /> e^{\int \int dx dy j(x) A^{-1}(x,y) j(y)}=e^{\int \int dk dq j(q) D(k,q) j(k)} <br />

But D(k,q) is not diagonal since it has a delta(k+q) and not a delta(k-q).

I would like to make the claim that maybe j(k)=j(-k) if you require j(x) to be real, but that's not necessarily true.
 
Actually, j^{\dagger}(k)=j(-k) is the most general condition, so maybe it ought to be:

<br /> <br /> e^{\int \int dx dy j(x) A^{-1}(x,y) j(y)}=e^{\int \int dk dq j^{\dagger}(q) D(k,q) j(k)}= e^{\int \int dk dq j^{\dagger}(q) D(k)\delta(k+q) j(k)} <br /> =e^{\int dk j^{\dagger}(-k) D(k) j(k)}=e^{\int dk j(k) D(k) j(k)} <br /> =e^{\int \int dq dk j(q) D(k)\delta(k-q) j(k)} <br />

since the Fourier transform that diagonalizes A^{-1} should be unitary and not orthogonal, and hence the dagger on j is required.
 
I‘m not saying your math is wrong, but it''s just not Tr A, because Tr A should be a fixed value independent of j(x). And by "momentum representation" my understanding is to express A in terms of monochromatic plane waves, which are the eigen solutions of A, not simply change the integration measure to ,momentum space.
 

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