Transformation of a random variable (exponential)

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The discussion revolves around the transformation of a random variable, specifically examining the distribution of \( Y = F(X) \) where \( X \) follows an exponential distribution. Participants explore the implications of this transformation, focusing on the cumulative distribution function (CDF) and its properties.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the problem is asking for the CDF of \( Y \), while others express uncertainty about the terminology used.
  • One participant finds the inverse of the CDF \( F(X) \) and questions its definition for \( y < 1 \).
  • There is a contention regarding whether the CDF of the exponential distribution is decreasing, with some participants asserting that all CDFs must be non-decreasing.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the transformation and the need for further work to derive a final formula for the distribution of \( Y \).
  • There are multiple expressions for \( P[Y \le y] \) presented, with participants attempting to clarify the relationship between \( F^{-1}(y) \) and \( F(F^{-1}(y)) \).
  • One participant notes that \( P[X \le F^{-1}(y)] \) simplifies to \( y \), prompting a discussion about the bounds of \( Y \) based on the properties of the exponential distribution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the properties of the CDF and the implications of the transformation. There is no consensus on the final distribution of \( Y \), and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of the results.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of the problem's terminology and the implications of the transformation. There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the bounds of \( Y \>.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying probability theory, particularly in the context of transformations of random variables and properties of cumulative distribution functions.

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Problem: Suppose that $X \text{ ~ Exp}(\lambda)$ and denote its distribution function by $F$. What is the distribution of $Y=F(X)$?

My attempt: First off, I'm assuming this is asking for the CDF of $Y$. Sometimes it's not clear what terminology refers to the PDF or the CDF for me.

$P[Y \le y]= P[F(X) \le y]= P[X \le F^{-1}(y)]$

For $x \ge 0$ the CDF of the exponential distribution is $1-e^{-\lambda x}$. So do I need to find the inverse of this and go from there? I have a feeling this is the right direction or this problem is trivially simple.
 
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I've found the inverse of $F(X)$. It is $$F^{-1}(X)=-\frac{\ln(1-x)}{\lambda}$$

From my OP, we have: $$P[Y \le y]= P[F(X) \le y]= P[X \le F^{-1}(y)]=P \left[X \le -\frac{\ln(1-y)}{\lambda} \right]$$

This inverse is only defined though for $y<1$. Is that all? I feel like I'm missing something.
 
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It's ambiguous for me as well.
The use of capitals suggests the cumulative distribution function is intended.
It would be nice if they made that explicit.

Anyway, I think it is a bit of a trick question, since the function is decreasing.
That has some impact on the inequalities...

And you didn't give a final formula.
 
I like Serena said:
It's ambiguous for me as well.
The use of capitals suggests the cumulative distribution function is intended.
It would be nice if they made that explicit.

Anyway, I think it is a bit of a trick question, since the function is decreasing.
That has some impact on the inequalities...

And you didn't give a final formula.

The density of an exponential random variable is decreasing but the CDF isn't. The CDF is our $Y$.

What final formula? I think it should be $$-\frac{\ln(1-y)}{\lambda}$$ for $y \in [-\infty,1)$.
 
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The density of an exponential random variable is decreasing but the CDF isn't. The CDF is our $Y$.

The CDF is $F(x)=1-e^{-\lambda x}$.
Isn't that a decreasing function?

What final formula? I think it should be $$-\frac{\ln(1-y)}{\lambda}$$ for $y \in [-\infty,1)$.

You ended with $F_Y(y) = P(X \le \text{some expression})$.
But $P(X \le x) = 1-e^{-\lambda x}$.
Doesn't that mean there is some more work to do?
 
I like Serena said:
The CDF is $F(x)=1-e^{-\lambda x}$.
Isn't that a decreasing function?

I still say no. All CDFs must be increasing or non-decreasing. They must satisfy the property that $$\lim_{x \rightarrow -\infty}F(x)=0$$ and $$\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty}F(x)=1$$. Plus if you look at a graph of it you can see that it is increasing and has a ceiling of 1.

You ended with $F_Y(y) = P(X \le \text{some expression})$.
But $P(X \le x) = 1-e^{-\lambda x}$.
Doesn't that mean there is some more work to do?

Hmm, I thought of it like:

$$P[Y \le y]=P \left[ X \le \displaystyle -\frac{\ln(1-y)}{\lambda}\right]$$

Where should I head from here?:confused:
 
Jameson said:
I still say no. All CDFs must be increasing or non-decreasing. They must satisfy the property that $$\lim_{x \rightarrow -\infty}F(x)=0$$ and $$\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty}F(x)=1$$. Plus if you look at a graph of it you can see that it is increasing and has a ceiling of 1.

My mistake. You are right.

Hmm, I thought of it like:

$$P[Y \le y]=P \left[ X \le \displaystyle -\frac{\ln(1-y)}{\lambda}\right]$$

Where should I head from here?

$$P[ X \le \text{some expression}] = 1 - e^{-\lambda \cdot (\text{some expression})}$$
 
$$P[X \le F^{-1}(y)]=1-e^{-Ax}$$, where $$A=-\frac{\ln(1-y)}{\lambda}$$?

EDIT: No, that isn't right. I think I'm just supposed to evaluate $$F^{-1}(y)$$.
 
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$$P[X \le F^{-1}(y)]=1-e^{-Ax}$$, where $$A=-\frac{\ln(1-y)}{\lambda}$$?

That should be $$1-e^{-\lambda A}$$.
 
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I like Serena said:
That should be $$1-e^{-\lambda A}$$.

Agreed, however I still don't see how that is equal to $F^{-1}(y)$. The above seems to be $F\left( F^{-1}(y) \right)$
 
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Jameson said:
Agreed, however I still don't see how that is equal to $F^{-1}(y)$.

It isn't. :confused:

$A=F^{-1}(y)$

The above seems to be $F\left( F^{-1}(y) \right)$

Neat! Isn't it? ;)
 
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I just don't see how you get from $$F^{-1}(y)$$ to $$F\left( F^{-1}(y) \right)$$.

We start with $$P[X \le F^{-1}(y)]$$ and end up with $$P[X \le F\left( F^{-1}(y) \right)$$. Can you explain how we can make that jump?

Wait! I think I might have answered my own question. The definition of $F(X)=P[X \le x]$ so we just use that definition correct?

$$P[X \le F^{-1}(y)] = F\left( F^{-1}(y) \right)$$
 
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Jameson said:
I just don't see how you get from $$F^{-1}(y)$$ to $$F\left( F^{-1}(y) \right)$$.

We start with $$P[X \le F^{-1}(y)]$$ and end up with $$P[X \le F\left( F^{-1}(y) \right)$$. Can you explain how we can make that jump?

Wait! I think I might have answered my own question. The definition of $F(X)=P[X \le x]$ so we just use that definition correct?

$$P[X \le F^{-1}(y)] = F\left( F^{-1}(y) \right)$$

Yep!
 
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I like Serena said:
Yep!

Awesome. Thank you! I didn't feel very good about transformations before but now I feel much more confident.
 
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Something I didn't notice before was that $$P[X \le F^{-1}(y)] = F\left( F^{-1}(y) \right)$$ simplifies to $y$. Does that mean that the distribution of $Y$ is $y$?

EDIT: I think the only other thing is to describe the bounds. For the exponential distribution the CDF is non-zero for $x \ge 0$ and 0 for $x<0$. I think that means in terms of $Y$ the CDF is $y$, where $0 < y <1$.
 
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