Transforming an ODE: Solving a Difficult Equation with a Simple Transformation

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The discussion revolves around transforming a specific ordinary differential equation (ODE) into a different form that is solvable. Participants explore the possibility of finding a transformation that allows the unsolvable equation, represented as y''(x) + P(x) y'(x) + Q(x) y(x) = 0, to be converted into a solvable form, f''(x) + P(x) f'(x) + Q(x)/x f(x) = 0, given particular functions P(x) and Q(x).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an ODE that cannot be solved analytically and seeks a transformation to a different ODE that is solvable for specific functions P(x) and Q(x).
  • Another participant notes that the feasibility of such a transformation depends on the specific forms of P(x) and Q(x).
  • A participant provides specific definitions for P(x) and Q(x) and asserts that the second equation is solvable for arbitrary H(x), while the first is not.
  • There is a question raised about a potential typo regarding the presence of derivatives in the equations.
  • The original poster clarifies their intent to transform the first equation into the second, emphasizing the need for a transformation that allows for the solution of y(x) based on the known solution for f(x).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the transformation's success is contingent upon the specific forms of P(x) and Q(x). However, there is no consensus on whether a general transformation exists for arbitrary functions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of the transformation and the dependency on the definitions of P(x) and Q(x), with unresolved aspects regarding the nature of the transformation itself.

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Hi, I have a problem and I am wondering if anyone can help... There is
this ODE, where P(x) and Q(x) are known functions:

y''(x)+P(x) y'(x)+Q(x) y(x)=0 (1)

This ODE cannot be solved analytically in general. However I can solve the following one (for the specific P(x) and Q(x) I have only):

f''(x)+P(x) f'(x)+Q(x)/x f(x)=0 (2)

The difference is in the third term :Q(x) => Q(x)/x. Does anyone know
of a transformation y(x)=>f(x) such that eq. (1) can be transformed
into eq. (2), which is solvable (as I said with the specific P & Q I
have, not in general)?

Cheers
 
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That will surely depend upon the "specific" P and Q!
 
I bet it does! I was just wondering if it can be done for arbitrary functions... However, here you go:

[tex]P(x)=\frac{3}{x}+\frac{H'[x]}{H[x]}[/tex]

[tex]Q(x)=\frac{c}{x^5 H(x)^2}[/tex]

Again, H(x) is arbitrary... sort of... Nevertheless, it is easy to see that eq (2) with these definitions is solvable (for arbitrary H(x)) while eq. (1) is not!

Any ideas? Thanks in advance
 
Your 2nd equation doesn't have any derivatives whereas your first one does, was that a typo?
 
Hmmm, when I said eqs. (1) & (2) I obviously meant form my first post... The point is to transform:

y''(x)+P(x) y'(x)+Q(x) y(x)=0...Equation (1)

into

f''(x)+P(x) f'(x)+Q(x)/x f(x)=0...Equation (2)

given the P(x) & Q(x), where:
[tex]P(x)=\frac{3}{x}+\frac{H'(x)}{H(x)}[/tex]
and
[tex]Q(x)=\frac{c}{x^5 H(x)^2}[/tex]

As I mentioned earlier, the reason I would like to find such a transformation (if at all possible) is because with these definitions of P(x) and Q(x), equation (2) for f(x) is solvable, while (1) is not. So knowing the solution for f(x) and the transformation allows in principle to find y(x) which is the desiteratum. Any ideas?
 

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