Transforming Elements: Breaking Down Car Emissions

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The discussion revolves around the chemical processes involved in breaking down car emissions, specifically carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide, into their constituent atoms of carbon and oxygen. Participants explore the energy requirements for these processes and the feasibility of reversing combustion reactions.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on how to convert hydrogen and oxygen atoms into water, questioning if a particle accelerator is necessary.
  • Another participant explains that sufficient energy is required to form covalent bonds, suggesting that a simple demonstration can create water using a balloon filled with hydrogen and oxygen and a flame.
  • Questions arise about the amount of energy needed for these reactions and whether energy is the only requirement when the atoms are present.
  • Concerns are raised about the energy needed to split a water molecule back into hydrogen and oxygen, with one participant noting that it requires a significant amount of energy and techniques to prevent recombination.
  • Another participant emphasizes that while energy is necessary, time and catalysts also play crucial roles in the speed of reactions.
  • One participant mentions the conservation of energy, stating that reversing the combustion of hydrocarbons to obtain elemental forms of carbon and oxygen requires energy equivalent to or greater than that released during combustion.

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Participants express varying views on the energy requirements and methods for breaking down emissions and the feasibility of reversing combustion processes. There is no consensus on the best approach or the specifics of energy needs.

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Participants discuss the complexities of chemical reactions, including the role of time and catalysts, as well as the implications of conservation of energy in the context of breaking down emissions.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring chemical processes related to emissions, energy requirements in chemical reactions, and the feasibility of reversing combustion reactions.

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Hi there,

I'm trying to figure out how this works but I'm not having much luck. Doesn't help that I'm not a science person to start with, so I'm hoping somebody here can help me out.

I understand the basic idea that if you have 2 Hydrogen atoms + 1 Oxygen atoms you can somehow convert the 3 separate atoms to create 1 water molecule.

But how does that actually happen?

Does it require a particle accelerator or something to do?

For what I'm specifically looking to understand is how to break down car emmissions - carbon mon-oxide and carbon di-oxide into their basic atoms of carbon and oxygen.

But I haven't got a clue how to do it.

Can somebody provide some insight on how this is actually done?

Thanks.
 
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CanadianChris said:
Does it require a particle accelerator or something to do?
No, just sufficient energy to form covalent bonds. In fact, you can create water using nothing more than a balloon filled with oxygen and hydrogen in a 1:2 ratio and a flame, I'm surprise you've never seen this demonstration.
 
How much energy are we talking about?

Is energy the only thing that is needed to do this process? I.e. if I have the oxygen and the hydrogen atoms present, I don't need anything else aside from the energy?

What if I'm trying to do the reverse and split the molecule? I.e. if I'm trying to splie a water molecule into it's hydrogen and oxygen atoms? Does that simply require energy as well?
 
CanadianChris said:
Does that simply require energy as well?
Yes, lots of energy (think several tens of thousands of degrees in temperature)...but also, some technique to quickly separate the oxygen from hydrogen before they recombine.

As for breaking down your car emissions - what's the point of that?
 
How much energy are we talking about?


Depends on what you want to make and how much.

Is energy the only thing that is needed to do this process? I.e. if I have the oxygen and the hydrogen atoms present, I don't need anything else aside from the energy?


Yes...but you also need time. A reaction might go in the direction of your product because there is enough energy put into it, but this doesn't mean that it will happen quickly. Some reactions happen spontaneously but take 100s and thousands of years to go to completion. Catalysts offer us a way to make the same reaction go much faster. Kinetic and Thermodynamic perspectives of a reaction can be much much different in certain situations.

What if I'm trying to do the reverse and split the molecule? I.e. if I'm trying to splie a water molecule into it's hydrogen and oxygen atoms? Does that simply require energy as well?

Yes.
 
CanadianChris said:
How much energy are we talking about?
Look up the bond enthalpies for H-O bonds. How much chemistry do you know?
 
CanadianChris, pleasae understand that there is conservation of energy. A car gets the energy to move by changing hydrocarbons and oxygen into (mostly) carbon dioxide and water. Splitting these back into their constituent molecules requires all of the energy that you gained from burning the hydrocarbon in the first place (or even more if you want to keep them in element form).
 

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