Transforming Trigonometric Equation

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves modeling the hours of daylight in Windsor, Ontario, using a periodic function based on maximum and minimum sunlight hours recorded on specific dates. The context is trigonometric equations, specifically in the form of a sine function.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of parameters a, b, c, and d for the sine function model. There are questions about the accuracy of the value for b and its implications on the overall model. Some participants suggest testing the model with different days to verify results.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively identifying potential errors in the calculations, particularly regarding the value of b and its impact on c. There is a recognition of the need to clarify whether calculations are being done in degrees or radians, which some suggest may be a source of confusion.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of significant round-off errors and the importance of consistent units in calculations. Participants are exploring the implications of these errors on the final results without reaching a consensus on the correct approach yet.

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Homework Statement


In 2001, Windsor, Ontario received its maximum amount of sunlight,
15.28 hrs, on June 21, and its least amount of sunlight, 9.08 hrs, on
December 21
  1. Due to the Earth's revolution about the sun, the hours of daylight function is periodic. Determine an equation that can model the hours of daylight function for Windsor, Ontario.

Homework Equations


y=a sin[b(x-c)] + d

The Attempt at a Solution


a=(max-min)/2=(15.28-9.08)/2=3.1

b=2π/period=2π/365=0.02

d=(max+min)/2=(15.28+9.08)/2=12.18

To find , we must substitute y and x for 15.28 and 172, which is June 21, respectively.

y=a sin⁡〖[b(x-c)]〗+d

15.28=3.1 sin⁡〖[0.02(172-c)]〗+12.18

15.28-12.18=3.1 sin⁡〖[170.28-0.99c]〗

3.1=3.1 sin⁡〖[170.28-0.99c]〗

1=sin⁡〖[3.44-0.02c]〗

sin^(-1)⁡〖(1)〗=3.44-0.02c

90=3.44-0.02c

90-3.44=-0.02c

86.56=-0.02c

4328=c
 
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Musa Ali said:

Homework Statement


In 2001, Windsor, Ontario received its maximum amount of sunlight,
15.28 hrs, on June 21, and its least amount of sunlight, 9.08 hrs, on
December 21
  1. Due to the Earth's revolution about the sun, the hours of daylight function is periodic. Determine an equation that can model the hours of daylight function for Windsor, Ontario.

Homework Equations


y=a sin[b(x-c)] + d

The Attempt at a Solution


a=(max-min)/2=(15.28-9.08)/2=3.1

b=2π/period=2π/365=0.02

d=(max+min)/2=(15.28+9.08)/2=12.18

To find , we must substitute y and x for 15.28 and 172, which is June 21, respectively.

y=a sin⁡〖[b(x-c)]〗+d

15.28=3.1 sin⁡〖[0.02(172-c)]〗+12.18

15.28-12.18=3.1 sin⁡〖[170.28-0.99c]〗

3.1=3.1 sin⁡〖[170.28-0.99c]〗

1=sin⁡〖[3.44-0.02c]〗

sin^(-1)⁡〖(1)〗=3.44-0.02c

90=3.44-0.02c

90-3.44=-0.02c

86.56=-0.02c

4328=c
Do you have a question?

That's a huge round-off error for b.

Plug in 355 & see what the answer is for that day.
 
SammyS said:
Do you have a question?

That's a huge round-off error for b.

Plug in 355 & see what the answer is for that day.

I am aware of the fact that the value I get for c is horribly skewed. I would like to know where exactly I have gone wrong.
 
Musa Ali said:
I am aware of the fact that the value I get for c is horribly skewed. I would like to know where exactly I have gone wrong.
The value of 0.2 for b is at least 16% larger than the correct value of 2π/365 . I think that's a significant error.

How do you know that you've gone wrong?
 
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Musa Ali said:
I am aware of the fact that the value I get for c is horribly skewed. I would like to know where exactly I have gone wrong.
Do you want to do this in degrees or in radians ?

This appears to be the biggest issue. Using radians for b, then using degrees when evaluating the inverse sine will cause a BIG problem.
 
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