Transmission Bandwith though space

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the transmission bandwidth that can travel through space without dissipating, focusing on the challenges and potential methods for long-distance communication in astrophysics. Participants explore various aspects of radio and laser communication, including the effects of the Interstellar Medium and the feasibility of using powerful signals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that bandwidth can spread out due to the Interstellar Medium, limiting effective communication range to about 1,000 light-years unless signals are powerful and antennas are large.
  • Another participant references articles discussing the surprisingly short range of radio signals and suggests that realistic radio beacons can be implemented for low costs, although transmitting large amounts of data over interstellar distances is challenging.
  • A suggestion is made that larger, powerful lasers could improve communication, especially if relayed through satellites.
  • Concerns are expressed about the implications of first contact with extraterrestrial intelligence, particularly regarding the involvement of human governments versus open-minded scientists.
  • A theoretical idea is presented about using the Sun's gravitational focus to amplify signals for communication across galaxies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the feasibility of different communication methods and the implications of first contact, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus on the best approach or the potential outcomes.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss limitations related to the assumptions about signal strength, antenna size, and the effects of the Interstellar Medium on transmission. There is also uncertainty regarding the practical implementation of proposed communication methods.

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Individuals interested in astrophysics, communication technologies, and the implications of extraterrestrial contact may find this discussion relevant.

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I have a very little understanding of astrophysics. I wanted to know what kind of transmission bandwidth can travel through space without dissipating.
 
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DarkStar707 said:
I have a very little understanding of astrophysics. I wanted to know what kind of transmission bandwidth can travel through space without dissipating.

Bandwidth gets spread out to a few Hz by the Interstellar Medium (ISM) and signals can "twinkle"/scintillate because of the random filaments of plasma that criss-cross the ISM too. Thus range is limited to ~1,000 ly or so unless the signal is very powerful and the antenna large. Arecibo, at 305 metres across, can communicate across half the Galaxy with another Arecibo if the transmission power is 100 MW - if it had a clear line of sight. But there's a lot of crud between here and there...
 
Some good articles on the question of radio range...

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/astronomy/faq/part6/section-12.html"

...demonstrates that ETIs aren't going to be watching our TV or listening to AM/FM unless They're Here.

http://www.setileague.org/articles/range.htm"

...surprisingly short range for certain antenna assumptions.

There's also a range calculator online...

http://www.satsig.net/seticalc.htm"

...which is fun to play with, but don't believe really BIG ranges for silly inputs.

Realistically optimised radio beacons that say "We're Here!" can be implemented for relatively low costs over long periods, but it's a real effort to squirt lots and lots of data between the stars if you're signalling from a planet.

There is a potentially immensely more powerful way of signalling between the stars via radio or laser, but you need to be a bit further out from the Sun.
 
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So perhaps a larger powerful laser could do the job depending if you could relay them off satellites.

I know other people are involved in trying to communicate. I worry that a first contact situation would be ruined because of the wrong people on this end.
 
DarkStar707 said:
So perhaps a larger powerful laser could do the job depending if you could relay them off satellites.

I know other people are involved in trying to communicate. I worry that a first contact situation would be ruined because of the wrong people on this end.

Ruined in what way?

What I was referring to was using the Sun's gravitational focus to boost a signal. Theoretically one can communicate to other galaxies using that natural amplification effect. I suspect that will be where ETIs will put their communications systems for interstellar data-exchange.
 
Well Mainly the thought of human governments making first contact. I just hope i'ts open minded scientists who have the first open diolog
 

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