Transmission that can change gears while stopped?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of changing gears in transmission systems while stationary, exploring various types of transmissions including manual and automatic systems, as well as specific examples like bicycle gear systems. The scope includes theoretical considerations, practical experiences, and potential designs.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that in manual transmissions, shifting gears while stationary is generally not possible unless the vehicle is in a specific gear position.
  • Others suggest that it may be possible to shift to at least one other gear selection in a parked car, depending on the gear position.
  • One participant explains that when the engine is running and the gearbox is in neutral, the input shaft is rotating, making it easier to shift gears compared to when the engine is off.
  • Another participant emphasizes that if the input shaft is not spinning, it can lead to grinding of the dogteeth when attempting to shift gears.
  • A participant mentions that some internally-geared bicycle hubs can change gears while stationary, indicating a design that allows for such functionality.
  • Experiences shared include shifting without a clutch in older vehicles, suggesting that some manual systems may allow for gear changes under specific conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of changing gears while stationary, with some asserting it is possible under certain conditions and others highlighting limitations. No consensus is reached on a specific transmission system that consistently allows for gear changes while stopped.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific vehicle designs, the condition of the transmission system, and the operational state of the engine. The discussion does not resolve the technical details of gear engagement mechanisms.

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i know on my bike i can't change gears if I'm not spinning the wheels and i know in a manual transmission you can't change gears really unless you're moving. anyone know of a transmission system that can change gears while stationary?
 
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With an automotive tranny, it depends upon what position the gears are in when it stops. If you try on any parked (standard) car, there's a good chance that you can shift to at least one other gear selection... assuming that you can get out of the one that you're in.
I take it, though, that you mean consistently shift from any gear to any other. I don't know of one right off, but there's a lot of new stuff out there. Maybe some of the CVT's or dual-clutch units can do it.
 
When the engine is running and a manual transmission gearbox is in neutral with the clutch up, one gearshaft is rotating. So there is no practical difference between pressing the clutch pedal and selecting any gear you want when the car is stationary, and changng gear when driving.

If the engine is off and the car is stationary, then it can need a little "gentle persuasion" to select any gear, but it's usually possible.
 
AlephZero said:
When the engine is running and a manual transmission gearbox is in neutral with the clutch up, one gearshaft is rotating. So there is no practical difference between pressing the clutch pedal and selecting any gear you want when the car is stationary, and changng gear when driving.

If the engine is off and the car is stationary, then it can need a little "gentle persuasion" to select any gear, but it's usually possible.
there is a difference, if the the input shaft is spinning then the synchros can do their job, otherwise you grind the dogteeth of the collar and the gear. if you're stopped then then synchros don't synchronize the gear and the output shaft and you are grinding teeth.

i'm curious about a tranny being designed to be able to switch gears at a stop
 
In most manual transmission vehicles (that's all I have owned for many years) you can shift from one gear to another while parked. Even if there is some gear-lash, that can be relieved by depressing the clutch. At the age of 10, I learned how to drive in a late 40's Willys Jeep with no clutch (throw-out bearing could not disengage) by starting in in low and speed-shifting. Later, my father got the clutch fixed so it was easier to drive, though I could always speed-shift that rascal without a hitch.
 

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