Triangle Inequalities Relationship

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationships between various triangle inequalities involving absolute values, specifically focusing on the expressions |x+y|, |x-y|, |x|, and |y|. Participants explore how these inequalities can be expressed and compared, examining both theoretical implications and specific cases.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the inequalities |x|-|y| ≤ |x+y| ≤ |x| + |y| and questions where |x-y| fits within this framework.
  • Another participant suggests that ||x|-|y|| ≤ |x+y| is a more commonly seen form, indicating a preference for this notation for ease of memory.
  • Some participants assert that no definitive relationship can be established between |x+y| and |x-y|, proposing that equality is not a valid conclusion.
  • One participant notes that if x and y have the same sign, then |x+y| ≥ |x-y| holds, while if they have different signs, |x+y| ≤ |x-y| holds, suggesting a conditional relationship based on the signs of x and y.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express disagreement regarding the relationships between |x+y| and |x-y|, with multiple competing views on how these inequalities interact. There is no consensus on a definitive relationship.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the relationships depend on the signs of x and y, and some inequalities may not hold universally without additional conditions. The discussion reflects various interpretations of the inequalities and their applications.

ait.abd
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I know the following
|x|-|y| \leq |x+y| \leq |x| + |y|
where does |x-y| fit in the above equation?
 
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How about x+(-y)?

also, notice that there is a sort of better result, but I like the way you wrote it, makes it easier to remember and figure out what might be needed in a problem. But sometimes the left inequality is written:

||x|-|y||\le|x+y|

Just so that you understand when many other people write this.
 
algebrat said:
How about x+(-y)?

also, notice that there is a sort of better result, but I like the way you wrote it, makes it easier to remember and figure out what might be needed in a problem. But sometimes the left inequality is written:

||x|-|y||\le|x+y|

Just so that you understand when many other people write this.

So

|x|-|y| \leq |x+y| \leq |x| + |y|

and

|x|-|y| \leq |x-y| \leq |x| + |y|.

I think we can't say anything about the relationship between|x+y| and |x-y|,
and in between ||x|-|y||and |x|-|y|.
 
|x+y|\ge||x|-|y||\ge|x|-|y|
 
ait.abd said:
I think we can't say anything about the relationship between|x+y| and |x-y|,

You can prove this pretty quickly by plugging numbers in, or just notice that the replacement ##y \mapsto -y## yields the other, hence the only possible relation is equality, which is clearly false.
 
ait.abd said:
I think we can't say anything about the relationship between|x+y| and |x-y|,
and in between ||x|-|y||and |x|-|y|.

if x and y have like signs then lx+yl ≥ lx-yl if unlike signs then lx+yl≤ lx-yl , check it out and always llxl-lyll >= lxl-lyl
 

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