Triangle Inequality: $a^4-1, a^4+a^3+2a^2+a+1, 2a^3+a^2+2a+1$

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating the existence of a triangle with sides defined by the expressions $a^4-1$, $a^4+a^3+2a^2+a+1$, and $2a^3+a^2+2a+1$ for all values of $a > 1$. The scope includes mathematical reasoning related to inequalities and triangle properties.

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  • Participants propose showing that the given expressions can form the sides of a triangle, which involves verifying the triangle inequality conditions.
  • Some participants express appreciation for the problem and solutions presented, indicating a positive engagement with the mathematical challenge.
  • There are repeated calls to demonstrate the triangle inequality for the specified expressions, suggesting a focus on the mathematical proof aspect.

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Participants generally agree on the problem's formulation and express enthusiasm, but the discussion does not resolve the mathematical proof of the triangle inequality, leaving it open for exploration.

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The discussion lacks detailed mathematical steps or assumptions that would clarify the conditions under which the triangle inequalities hold. There is also no exploration of potential counterexamples or limitations of the proposed expressions.

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Show that for all $a>1$, there is a triangle with sides $a^4-1$, $a^4+a^3+2a^2+a+1$, and $2a^3+a^2+2a+1$.
 
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anemone said:
Show that for all $a>1$, there is a triangle with sides $a^4-1$, $a^4+a^3+2a^2+a+1$, and $2a^3+a^2+2a+1$.

Let the Lengths of sides of triangle be
$x = a^4 – 1$
$y = a^4 + a^3 + 2a^2 + a +1$
$z= 2a^3 + a^2 + 2a + 1$

clearly x < y
now we need to see if y < z or y = z or y > z
$y – z = a^4 – a^3 + a^2 – a = a^3(a-1) +a (a-1) >0$
so y – z >0
so y is the longer side,
now if we prove that x + z > y then we are through
$x + z – y = a^3 – a^2 + a – 1 = (a^2+1)(a-1) > 0$

hence proved
 
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Great problem, Anemone! :D

And a very elegant solution, Kaliprasad! :D
 
DreamWeaver said:
Great problem, Anemone! :D

It feels quite nice to receive such a compliment from time to time at MHB for my posting of the challenge problem(s)!:p(Sun)
 
anemone said:
Show that for all $a>1$, there is a triangle with sides $a^4-1$, let :$a^4+a^3+2a^2+a+1$, and $2a^3+a^2+2a+1$.
let:
$x=a^4-1=(a^2+1)(a^2-1)$
$y=a^4+a^3+2a^2+a+1=(a^2+a+1)(a^2+1)$
and
$z=2a^3+a^2+2a+1=(a^2+1)(2a+1)$
if $x,y,z $ can form a triangle ,then :
$xx=a^2-1$
$yy=a^2+a+1$
$zz=2a+1$
can also form a new but smaller triangle (by shrinking $a^2+1$ fold)
again $yy$ is the longest
now we must prove $xx+zz>yy$ if $a>1$
but $xx+zz-yy=a^2-1+2a+1-a^2-a-1=a-1>0(\,\, if \,\, a>1)$
and the proof is done
 

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