Tricky radiation half-life question

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The discussion revolves around a problem in astrophysics related to the half-lives of uranium isotopes, specifically 235U and 238U, and their ratio to determine the time since a supernova explosion that contributed to the formation of Earth. The original poster presents their calculations and seeks guidance after finding their answer to be incorrect.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the exponential decay process and its relationship to half-lives. The original poster's calculations are scrutinized, with questions raised about the reasoning behind specific steps, such as taking the reciprocal of the ratio. Another participant suggests a different approach using the decay equations for both isotopes to establish the ratio.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and questioning the original poster's methodology. Some guidance has been provided regarding the equations involved, but no consensus or resolution has been reached yet.

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The original poster expresses confusion about their calculations and the reasoning behind them, indicating a need for clarification on the underlying principles of radioactive decay and ratio comparisons.

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Hey,

I have been set this question as an assignment and I spent about an hour researching it yesterday and came up with what I thought was the right answer, but it has turned out to be wrong.

"A theory of astrophysics proposes that all the elements heavier than iron are formed in supernova explosions ending the lives of massive stars. If we assume that at the time of the explosion the amounts of 235U and 238U were equal, how long ago did the star(s) explode that released the elements that formed our Earth? The present 235U / 238U ratio is 0.00725. The half-lives of 235U and 238U are 0.704 x 10^9 years and 4.47 x 10^9 years."

Here is what I did.

Reciprocal of 0.00725 = 137.93
Used log to find that 2^7.1078 = 137.93
Multiplied 7.1078 by 0.704 x 10^9 to get 5,003,891,200 years.

But this answer turned out to be wrong. Can anyone guide me in the right direction?
 
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The exponential decay process is described by
n=n_oe^{-\lambda t}
where n_o is the initial amount of nuclei present (the same for both types) and \lambda is the decay constant of the particular isotope. Its relationship with the halflife T_{\frac{1}{2}} is
\lambda T_{\frac{1}{2}} = \ln(2)
 
lando45 said:
Hey,

I have been set this question as an assignment and I spent about an hour researching it yesterday and came up with what I thought was the right answer, but it has turned out to be wrong.

"A theory of astrophysics proposes that all the elements heavier than iron are formed in supernova explosions ending the lives of massive stars. If we assume that at the time of the explosion the amounts of 235U and 238U were equal, how long ago did the star(s) explode that released the elements that formed our Earth? The present 235U / 238U ratio is 0.00725. The half-lives of 235U and 238U are 0.704 x 10^9 years and 4.47 x 10^9 years."

Here is what I did.

Reciprocal of 0.00725 = 137.93
Used log to find that 2^7.1078 = 137.93
Multiplied 7.1078 by 0.704 x 10^9 to get 5,003,891,200 years.

But this answer turned out to be wrong. Can anyone guide me in the right direction?

Just telling us what arithmetic you did doesn't make it very clear WHY you did it. What equations did you have? What reason do you have for thing taking the reciprocal of 0.00725, etc. will give the correct answer?

We can take the "equal amounts" of U235 and U238 created to be 1. Since U235 has a half life of 0.2704 x 109 year, the amount after T years will be
U235= \left(\frac{1}{2}\right)^{\frac{T}{0.2704x10^9}}
Since U238 has a half life of 4.47 x 109, the amount left after T years will be
U238= \left(\frac{1}{2}\right)^{\frac{T}{4.47x10^9}}
The ratio of those is
\frac{U235}{U238}= \left(\frac{1}{2}\right)^{\frac{T}{0.2704x10^9}- \frac{T}{4.47x10^9}}= 0.00725

Solve that for T.
 
So could someone please tell me what the hell the answer is.

Thankso:)
 
Nevermind... got names mixed up. sigh. lol
 
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