Age of Meteorite: Calculating Half-Life

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The problem involves calculating the age of a meteorite based on the ratio of stable Argon atoms (##^{40}Ar##) to radioactive Potassium atoms (##^{40}K##), given as 10.3. The half-life of Potassium is provided as ## 1.25 \cdot 10^9 ## years.

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  • Participants discuss the interpretation of the ratio between Argon and Potassium atoms, with some suggesting a need to clarify whether the ratio indicates more Argon than Potassium or vice versa. There are attempts to apply the radioactive decay formula and to derive the age based on the given half-life.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem and the calculations involved. There is acknowledgment of potential errors in reasoning and calculations, particularly regarding the value of ##\lambda## and significant digits. Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the calculations and the importance of significant figures.

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There is a mention of homework constraints, specifically the requirement to report answers with two decimal places, which influences the final numerical representation of the age of the meteorite.

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The problem statement
The ratio between stable Argon atoms(##^{40}Ar##) and radioactive Potassium atoms(##
^{40}K##)in a meteorite is 10.3. Assume that these Ar atoms are produced by decay of Potassium-atoms, whose half-life is ## 1.25 \cdot 10^9 ## years. How old is the meteorite?
Translated from Swedish.

The attempt at a solution
Radiactive decay can be calculated with ## N(t) = N_0e^{- \lambda t}## where t is time and lambda is constant. Half-life gives us ## \frac{1}{2} = N_0e^{- \lambda t}##

And we know that
## \frac{N_{r}}{N_s}=10.3 ## and ##N_{r} + N_s = N_0## thus ##N_r = \frac{N_0}{11.3} ##
## N(t) = N_0e^{- \lambda t}## and ##N_r = \frac{N_0}{11.3} ## give us ##\frac{N_0}{11.3} = N_0e^{- \lambda t}## and ## t=4.3 \cdot 10^9 ## which is wrong :/.

Can someone help please?
 
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Rectifier said:
The problem statement
The ratio between stable Argon atoms(##^{40}Ar##) and radioactive Potassium atoms(##
^{40}K##)in a meteorite is 10.3.

## \frac{N_{r}}{N_s}=10.3 ##
The way I read it, there is 10.3 times more argon than potassium, not the other way around.
 
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DrClaude said:
The way I read it, there is 10.3 times more argon than potassium, not the other way around.
Tanks for the reply!

So it should be:
## \frac{N_{s}}{N_r}=10.3 ## and ##N_{s} + N_r = N_0## thus ##N_r = \frac{N_0}{11.3} ##
## N(t) = N_0e^{- \lambda t}## and ##N_r = \frac{N_0}{11.3} ## give us ##\frac{N_0}{11.3} = N_0e^{- \lambda t}## and ## t=4.3 \cdot 10^9 ##

and I get the same answer :D
 
Rectifier said:
Tanks for the reply!

So it should be:
## \frac{N_{s}}{N_r}=10.3 ## and ##N_{s} + N_r = N_0## thus ##N_r = \frac{N_0}{11.3} ##
## N(t) = N_0e^{- \lambda t}## and ##N_r = \frac{N_0}{11.3} ## give us ##\frac{N_0}{11.3} = N_0e^{- \lambda t}## and ## t=4.3 \cdot 10^9 ##

and I get the same answer :D
I didn't notice that you had made a second error cancelling the first one!

I notice now that
Rectifier said:
Half-life gives us ## \frac{1}{2} = N_0e^{- \lambda t}##
is not correct.

What is the value of ##\lambda##?
 
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DrClaude said:
I didn't notice that you had made a second error cancelling the first one!

I notice now that

is not correct.

What is the value of ##\lambda##?
Is it ## \lambda = \frac{ln2}{T_{1/2}}## ?

EDIT:
Thus ## \lambda = \frac{ln2}{T_{1/2}} =\frac{ln2}{1.25 \cdot 10^9 } ##
 
Rectifier said:
Is it ## \lambda = \frac{ln2}{T_{1/2}}## ?

EDIT:
Thus ## \lambda = \frac{ln2}{T_{1/2}} =\frac{ln2}{1.25 \cdot 10^9 } ##
That's correct.

I made the calculation myself, and find the same value as you. Why do say the answer is wrong?
 
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DrClaude said:
That's correct.

I made the calculation myself, and find the same value as you. Why do say the answer is wrong?

My teacher told me so. Well I guess that he is wrong then.
 
Rectifier said:
My teacher told me so. Well I guess that he is wrong then.
Didn't he give any hint as to what was wrong?

The only thing I can see is that your answer does not have the correct number of significant digits.
 
DrClaude said:
Didn't he give any hint as to what was wrong?

The only thing I can see is that your answer does not have the correct number of significant digits.
Ah sh*t :D
"Svara med två decimaler"

Then its 4.37 :D
 
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Rectifier said:
Ah sh*t :D
"Svara med två decimaler"

Then its 4.37 :D
Precis!

You could also infer it from the fact that both the ratio and the half-life are given with three significant digits.
 
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DrClaude said:
Precis!

You could also infer it from the fact that both the ratio and the half-life are given with three significant digits.
Thank you for your help!
 

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