Trigonometry - Horizon Related Word Problem

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The discussion revolves around a trigonometry problem related to the concept of the horizon, particularly in the context of viewing distances from a height above the Earth's surface. Participants are exploring the geometric relationships involved in this scenario, including the curvature of the Earth.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use symmetry in triangles but expresses confusion about the concept of the horizon. Some participants suggest considering the Earth's curvature and provide insights into the geometry involved, including the relationship between the height of the observer and the radius of the Earth.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering different perspectives on the problem setup. There is a focus on clarifying the geometric interpretation of the horizon and the necessary assumptions, such as the radius of the Earth. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of the Pythagorean theorem and the tangent-secant theorem, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem, including the need for specific values like the radius of the Earth and the height of the observer. There is an acknowledgment of potential misunderstandings in the original diagram presented by the poster.

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Persons A and B are at the beach, their eyes are 5 ft and 6 ft, respectively, above sea level. How
many miles farther out is Person B’s horizon than Person A’s?
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Hello!
I'm trying to solve this problem.
Here's the diagram I tried to make.
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I have difficulty understanding this math problem.. I've tried to solve the problem using the symmetry of the triangles but I didn't get the right answer, and I can't seem to understand the "concept" of the horizon here.
So I'll be grateful if you give me some hints.
 
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If I'm not mistaken, it is necessary to consider the curvature of the earth, which can be considered to be a sphere with a radius of 4000 miles.
 
Yeah, I think your diagram is at least very misleading. You have them looking at like, the side of a mountain or something, which isn't really how the horizon works.
 
You should view it like this. Line BC is of length R, where R is the radius of the Earth. Line AC is of length R+H, where H is the height of the person. Line AB is tangent to the Earth, so line AB is perpendicular to line BC. You want to calculate the distance AB, which is how far the person is seeing. Remember that H<<R, and use approximations.
Horizon.png
 
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nmnna said:
... but I didn't get the right answer, and I can't seem to understand the "concept" of the horizon here.
So I'll be grateful if you give me some hints.
Welcome, nmnna! :smile:
Did they give you a value of radius to use for this problem?

Please, see:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_radius

As explained above, horizon is where the line of sight of a person hits the interface sky-ocean.
That makes that line of sight a line that is simultaneously tangent to the surface of the ocean (at the horizon) and perpendicular to a line from the horizon to the center of the Earth.

Besides the Pythagorean theorem, you could use the tangent-secant theorem, making the secant line go through the center of the Earth:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangent-secant_theorem
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