I Trouble with a passage in Zariski & Samuel's Commutative algebra text

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I am having trouble understanding the two parts bold in the quoted texts.
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For the two passages in the Background below highlighted in bold, I am having trouble figuring how the maps are defined.

I understand that we have commutative ring ##R## admitting a total quotient ring ##F##, a, subset ##M\subset R## which is also a regular multiplicative system. A map ##f:R\to S## and ##f(R)\cong R/\mathfrak{n}##.

For the first one where it says: it says:

and ##f## defines a homomorphism ##f'## of ##R/\mathfrak{n}## into ##S##. Now, the canonical image ##\bar{M}=\frac{M+\mathfrak{n}}{\mathfrak{n}}## of ##M## in ##R/\mathfrak{n}## is obviously closed under multiplication.


Mathematical notation wise, is it saying that ##f=f':R/\mathfrak{n}\to S##, ##\bar{M}\subset M##, ##\mathrm{ker}\,f=\mathfrak{n}##, ##f(\bar{M})=f(\frac{M+\mathfrak{n}}{\mathfrak{n}})\in R/\mathfrak{n}##?

Also in the second highlighted bold portion where it says:

Since every element of ##f'(\bar{M})\;(=f(M))## is a unit in ##S##, the homomorphism ##f'## may be extended to a homomorphism (still denoted by ##f'##) of ##(R/\mathfrak{n})_\bar{M}$## into ##S## by setting ##f'(\bar{x}/\bar{m})=f'(\bar{x})/f'(\bar{m})##

In terms of Mathematical notation wise, what does it mean by "##f'## may be extended to a homomorphism...." I understand that ##f':(R/\mathfrak{n})_\bar{M} \to S##, but according to the first bold part above, if ##f=f'##, then how is that consider as ##f## extends to ##f'##? I mean at first it was saying that ##f':R/\mathfrak{n}\to S##. I think there should be some additional notation to describe how one goes from ##f':R/\mathfrak{n}\to S## to ##f':(R/\mathfrak{n})_\bar{M} \to S##.



Background

The following passage is taken from: Commutative Algebra Vol 1 by Zariski and Samuel, Chapter 4 section 9.

We shall now undertake a slight generalization of the concept of a quotient ring. We consider a homomorphism ##f## of ##R## into a ring ##S## such that ##f(m)## is a unit for every ##m\in M##, where ##M## is a given multiplicative system in ##R##. If ##x## is an element of ##R## such that ##mx=0## for some ##m## in ##M##, we have ##0=f(xm)=f(x)f(m)##, and since ##f(m)## is a unit in ##S##, this implies ##f(x)=0##. In other words, the kernel of ##f## must contain the set ##\mathfrak{n}## of all elements ##x## in ##R## for which there exists an element ##m## in ##M## such that ##mx=0##. Since ##M## is multiplicatively closed, this set ##\mathfrak{n}## is an ideal in ##R##, as is readily verified; and since ##0\not\in M##, we have ##1\not\in \mathfrak{n}## and ##\mathfrak{n}\neq R##. Thus, the image ##f(R)## of ##R## in ##S## is isomorphic to a residue class ring of ##R/\mathfrak{n}##, and ##f## defines a homomorphism ##f'## of ##R/\mathfrak{n}## into ##S##. Now, the canonical image ##\bar{M}=\frac{M+\mathfrak{n}}{\mathfrak{n}}## of ##M## in ##R/\mathfrak{n}## is obviously closed under multiplication. Further, ##\bar{M}## does not contain any zero divisor: for, if ##\bar{x}\cdot\bar{m}=0 \;(\bar{x}\in R/\mathfrak{n},\bar{m}\in\bar{M})## and ##x,m## are representatives of ##\bar{x},\bar{m}## in ##R## and ##M##, then ##xm\in \mathfrak{n},xmm'=0## for a suitable element ##m'\in M##, and since ##mm'\in M##, we deduce that ##x\in \mathfrak{n}## and ##\bar{x}=0##. Thus ##\bar{M}## is a regular multiplicative system in ##R/\mathfrak{n}##, and we can construct the ordinary quotient ring ##(R/\mathfrak{n})_\bar{M}##. Since every element of ##f'(\bar{M})\;(=f(M))## is a unit in ##S##, the homomorphism ##f'## may be extended to a homomorphism (still denoted by ##f'##) of ##(R/\mathfrak{n})_\bar{M}## into ##S## by setting ##f'(\bar{x}/\bar{m})=f'(\bar{x})/f'(\bar{m})## (the fact that ##f'## is single valued and is a homomorphism is easily proved. The ring ##(R/\mathfrak{n})_\bar{M}## is called the quotient ring of ##$R$## with respect to the multiplicative system ##$M$## and is denoted by ##R_M##. We notice that if ##M## is regular, we have ##\mathfrak{n}=(0), R/\mathfrak{n}=R, \bar{M}=M##, and the new terminology and notation is consistent with the old one.

Thank you in advance
 
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I suggest you go back and read, and think about, my post #6 in your earlier thread https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/localising-a-non-integral-domain-at-a-prime.1080760/
Then re-read the passages above from Z-S more carefully. (Note e.g. they do not say the multiplicative system M is regular, since then the kernel n they speak of would be {0}.) And possibly consider the advice to switch to a more elementary source for abstract algebra, to acquire some feeling for mappings, extensions, residue rings, ... then tackle rings of fractions.

Note also that Z-S says "residue ring" for R/N, where many authors say "quotient ring". And hence even more confusingly, Z-S says "quotient ring" for S^-1R, where some authors say "ring of fractions".


If English is not your native language, you might also benefit from using a book that is written in your language. To an English speaker, Z-S have already answered your question by saying clearly that it is not f that is extended by f', but that the extension of f' will again be written as f', presumably just to save notation, and since the two versions of f' uniquely determine each other.
 
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@mathwonk Sorry I should have been a bit more specific in my two bold portion.

For the two highlighted portions in bold in the quoted passages above, I understand that ##f'=f:R/\mathfrak{n}\to S##, ##\bar{M}=\frac{M+\mathfrak{n}}{\mathfrak{n}} \subset R/\mathfrak{n}##, ##\mathrm{ker}\,f=\mathfrak{n}##, ##f'(\bar{M})=f'(\frac{M+\mathfrak{n}}{\mathfrak{n}})=f(M)\in S##

But why does Zariski and Samuel define ##\bar{M}=\frac{M+\mathfrak{n}}{\mathfrak{n}}## instead of just ##\bar{M}=M+\mathfrak{n}##? In terms of elements, ##\frac{M+\mathfrak{n}}{\mathfrak{n}}=\{\{m+(\mathfrak{n})\}+(\mathfrak{n})\mid m\in M\}=\{m+(\mathfrak{n})\mid m\in M\}=\frac{M}{\mathfrak{n}}\subset \frac{R}{\mathfrak{n}}.## Also when the two says: "the canonical image ##\bar{M}=\frac{M+\mathfrak{n}}{\mathfrak{n}}## of ##M## in ##R/\mathfrak{n}##" What is the map ##p## from what set to what set that would give ##p(\bar{M})=\frac{M+\mathfrak{n}}{\mathfrak{n}}##?

Also when Zariski and Samuel uses the word extended, do they mean extension of a function? I am understanding that they have ##f'=f:R/\mathfrak{n} \to S## but when we have ##\bar{M}\subset R/\mathfrak{n}\to S##, we have the map ##f:(R/\mathfrak{n})_\bar{M}\to S##. How is this consider the map ##f## being extended?
 
@mathwonk there is one other minor thing, when Zariski and Samuel used the term extended for function, do they mean in the sense of extension and restriction of function, in the sense of field extension or in the topology sense of Tieze extension theorem.
 
@fresh_42 I am posting the quoted text above without enclosing it in quotes:

"We shall now undertake a slight generalization of the concept of a quotient ring. We consider a homomorphism ##f## of ##R## into a ring ##S## such that ##f(m)## is a unit for every ##m\in M##, where ##M## is a given multiplicative system in ##R##. If ##x## is an element of ##R## such that ##mx=0## for some ##m## in ##M##, we have ##0=f(xm)=f(x)f(m)##, and since ##f(m)## is a unit in ##S##, this implies ##f(x)=0##. In other words, the kernel of ##f## must contain the set ##\mathfrak{n}## of all elements ##x## in ##R## for which there exists an element ##m## in ##M## such that ##mx=0##. Since ##M## is multiplicatively closed, this set ##\mathfrak{n}## is an ideal in ##R##, as is readily verified; and since ##0\not\in M##, we have ##1\not\in \mathfrak{n}## and ##\mathfrak{n}\neq R##. Thus, the image ##f(R)## of ##R## in ##S## is isomorphic to a residue class ring of ##R/\mathfrak{n}##, and ##f## defines a homomorphism ##f'## of ##R/\mathfrak{n}## into ##S##. Now, the canonical image ##\bar{M}=\frac{M+\mathfrak{n}}{\mathfrak{n}}## of ##M## in ##R/\mathfrak{n}## is obviously closed under multiplication. Further, ##\bar{M}## does not contain any zero divisor: for, if ##\bar{x}\cdot\bar{m}=0 \;(\bar{x}\in R/\mathfrak{n},\bar{m}\in\bar{M})## and ##x,m## are representatives of ##\bar{x},\bar{m}## in ##R## and ##M##, then ##xm\in \mathfrak{n},xmm'=0## for a suitable element ##m'\in M##, and since ##mm'\in M##, we deduce that ##x\in \mathfrak{n}## and ##\bar{x}=0##. Thus ##\bar{M}## is a regular multiplicative system in ##R/\mathfrak{n}##, and we can construct the ordinary quotient ring ##(R/\mathfrak{n})_\bar{M}##. Since every element of ##f'(\bar{M})\;(=f(M))## is a unit in ##S##, the homomorphism ##f'## may be extended to a homomorphism (still denoted by ##f'##) of ##(R/\mathfrak{n})_\bar{M}## into ##S## by setting ##f'(\bar{x}/\bar{m})=f'(\bar{x})/f'(\bar{m})## (the fact that ##f'## is single valued and is a homomorphism is easily proved. The ring ##(R/\mathfrak{n})_\bar{M}## is called the quotient ring of ##R## with respect to the multiplicative system ##M## and is denoted by ##R_M##. We notice that if ##M## is regular, we have ##\mathfrak{n}=(0), R/\mathfrak{n}=R, \bar{M}=M##, and the new terminology and notation is consistent with the old one."

I tried to figure out what the term 'extended' mean and how the canonical map ##\bar{M}## is defined and its associated homomorphic map.

A straight reading allows me to deduced the following:


We have ##R/\mathfrak{n}## is the quotient ring of ##R## by the ideal ##\mathfrak{n},\\\\##

##S## is a ring such that ##f(m)## is a unit in ##S## for all ##m \in M\\\\##

The ring ##(R/\mathfrak{n})_{\bar{M}}## is the quotient ring (or localization) of ##R/\mathfrak{n}## with respect to the multiplicative system ##\bar{M} \subseteq R/\mathfrak{n}\\\\##

We have the quotient set ##(R/\mathfrak{n})_{\bar{M}}=\{[(\bar{x}, \bar{m})]\mid \bar{x} \in R/\mathfrak{n},\bar{m} \in \bar{M}\}\{[\frac{\bar{x}}{\bar{m}}]\mid \bar{x} \in R/\mathfrak{n},\bar{m} \in \bar{M}\}## under the equivalence relation: ##(\bar{x}, \bar{m}) \sim (\bar{y}, \bar{n})## if there exists ##\bar{t} \in \bar{M}## such that ##\bar{t}(\bar{n}\bar{x} - \bar{m}\bar{y}) = 0\\\\##

The term: ''extended'' seem to mean one can define a new homomorphism, using the notation: ##f', f':(R/\mathfrak{n})_{\bar{M}}\to S##,since ##(R/\mathfrak{n})_{\bar{M}}## is a larger ring of ##S##, so ##S\subset (R/\mathfrak{n})_{\bar{M}}\to S##, and ##f'=f'|_{R/\mathfrak{n}}.## Then ##\\\\##

##f'(\bar{x}/\bar{m}) = \{\frac{f'(\bar{x})}{f'(\bar{m})}\in S\mid \bar{x}/\bar{m} \in (R/\mathfrak{n})_{\bar{M}},f'(\bar{m}) = f(m) \text{ is a unit in }S \text{ for all } \bar{m} \in \bar{M}, m\in M\}\\\\##

The canonnical image of ##\bar{M}.\\\\##

The set ##\bar{M}## is the canonical image of the multiplicative system ##M \subseteq R## in the quotient ring ##R/\mathfrak{n}##, where ##\\\\##

##\mathfrak{n} = \{ x \in R \mid \exists m \in M \text{ such that } mx = 0 \}## is an ideal in ##R.\\\\##

We have the canonical projection ##\pi: R \to R/\mathfrak{n}## is defined by ##\pi(x) = x + \mathfrak{n}.\\\\##

The set ##\bar{M}## consists of the images of elements of ##M## under ##\pi:\\\\##

##\bar{M} = \frac{M + \mathfrak{n}}{\mathfrak{n}} = \{ m + \mathfrak{n} \mid m \in M \}= \{\bar{m} \in R/\mathfrak{n} \mid \exists m \in M \text{ such that } \bar{m} = m + \mathfrak{n} \}.\\\\##

The second equality is written using set builder notation.##\\\\##

the mapping associated with canonical image of ##\bar{M}## is the homomorphic mapping ##f' : R/\mathfrak{n} \to S##, which is created from the original homomorphism ##f : R \to S## defined by ##f'(x + \mathfrak{n}) = f(x), \bar{m} = m + \mathfrak{n} \in \bar{M};## which gives:##\\\\##

##f'(\bar{m}) = f'(m + \mathfrak{n}) = f(m).\\\\##

Because ##f(m)## is a unit in ##S## for all ##m \in M##, the set ##f'(\bar{M}) = \{ f(m) \mid m \in M \}## consists of units in ##S##.

However from an MSE post, I got:

Explainations from an answer on MSE:##\\\\##

There are a lot of misunderstandings. Let me rewrite some of the text:##\\\\##

Consider a ring homomorphism ##f \colon R \to S## and a multiplicative system ##M## in ##R.\\\\##
Suppose that each element of ##f(M)## is a unit in ##S.\\\\##
Then it can be shown that the set##\\\\##

##\mathfrak n := \{x \in R : mx=0 \text{ for some } m \in M\}\\\\##

is a proper ideal of ##R## such that ##\mathfrak n \subset \ker f.\\\\##

##\textbf{Note 1:}\\\\##

We don't know if ##\mathfrak n = \ker f.\\\\##

Thus, ##f## defines a ring homomorphism ##f' \colon R/\mathfrak n \to S.\\\\##

##\textbf{Note 2:}\\\\##

It is not correct to say that ##f'=f \colon R/\mathfrak n \to S\\\\##.
Here we are using the ##\textit{universal property of the quotient ring}##: If ##f \colon R \to S## is a ring homomorphism and ##\mathfrak n## is an ideal of ##R## such that ##\mathfrak n \subset \ker f##, then there exists a (unique) ring homomorphism ##f' \colon R/\mathfrak n \to S## such that ##
f'(x+\mathfrak n) = f(x) \quad \text{for all } x \in R.\\\\##

The condition ##\mathfrak n \subset \ker f## is used to show that ##f'## is well-defined with the above formula.##\\\\##

Next, it can be shown that the quotient##\\\\##

##\bar M := (M+\mathfrak n)/\mathfrak n\\\\##

is a regular multiplicative system in ##R/\mathfrak n.\\\\##

##\textbf{Note 3:}\\\\##

As you observe, ##\bar M = \{m+\mathfrak n : m \in M\}##, that is, ##\bar M## is the image of ##M## under the canonical map ##\pi \colon R \to R/\mathfrak n## (this is why ##\bar M## is called the canonical image of ##M## in ##R/\mathfrak n).\\\\##

However, it is incorrect to write ##\bar M## as: ##\\\\##

- ##M/\mathfrak n##, since we don't know if ##\mathfrak n \subset M##. (The notation ##A/B## only makes sense when ##B \subset A.)\\\\##

- ##M+\mathfrak n##, since this sum denotes the subset ##\{m+n : m \in M, n \in \mathfrak n\}## of ##R.\\\\##

Hence, as each element of ##f'(\bar M) = \{f'(m+\mathfrak n) : m \in M\} = \{f(m) : m \in M\} = f(M)## is a unit in ##S##, the homomorphism ##f' \colon R/\mathfrak n \to S## can be extended to a homomorphism ##f'' \colon (R/\mathfrak n)_{\bar M} \to S## by defining##\\\\##

##f''(\bar x/\bar m) = f'(\bar x)/f'(\bar m) \quad \text{for all } \bar x \in R/\mathfrak n \text{ and } \bar m \in \bar M.\\\\##

By simplicity, ##f''## is still denoted by ##f'.\\\\##

##\textbf{Note 4:}\\\\##

Since ##R/\mathfrak n## is a subset of ##(R/\mathfrak n)_{\bar M}##, ##f''## is indeed an extension of ##f'##, meaning that the restriction of ##f''## to ##R/\mathfrak n## is equal to ##f'##:##\\\\##
For each ##\bar x \in R/\mathfrak n,\\\\##

##f''(\bar x) = f''(\bar x/\bar 1_R) = f'(\bar x)/f'(\bar 1_R) = f'(\bar x)/1_S = f'(\bar x).\\\\##


How did Zariski and Samuel hid so much information in so few a sentences? I am hoping you can help with relating or help with tying all the various homormophic mappings together and how each set (quontient rings, ideals,etc) are related to their respective larger sets,
 
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Screen shot 1
Oscar Zariski, Pierre Samuel, I.S. Cohen-Commutative Algebra v1 p - 221_page-0001.webp


Screenshot 2
D. S. Malik, John M. Mordeson, M. K. Sen - Fundamentals of Abstract Algebra p 312.webp


Screen shot 3
Thomas W Hungerford - Abstract Algebra An Introduction-Cengage Learning p 182_page-0001.webp


@fresh_42 in the above three screenshots. The first one has to do with Zariski and Samuel's passage. From the bottom of the page count up nine lines, where it starts with

'Since every element of ##f'(\bar{M})(=f(M))## is a unit in ##S,## the homomorphism ##f'## may be extended...'

I don't understand what the two authors meant by how they use the word extended. The author of the MSE answer mentioned that we don't know if ##\mathfrak{n}= \text{ker }f## in note 1. In the note 2, he mentioned the universal property of quotient map. Both note together can be amounts to theorem 11.3.13 in the second screen shot? Also, could the word extended to mean in the sense of ex 20 in the third screenshot.

Also if we expand in set builder notation for ##\bar{M}##, why can't I simply write it as ##\bar{M}=\frac{M+\mathfrak{n}}{\mathfrak{n}}=\{(m+\mathfrak{n})+\mathfrak{n}:m\in M\}=\{m+\mathfrak{n}:m\in M\}?##
 
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