Truncated Fourier transform and power spectral density

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The discussion revolves around the signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) of an oscillating signal in the presence of white noise, specifically how the SNR scales with integration time. Participants explore the implications of power spectral density and Fourier transforms in this context.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the SNR increases as ##T^{1/2}##, based on the relationship between noise and signal over integration time.
  • Another participant questions this assertion, recalling that the variance of white noise in the frequency domain may increase as ##T^3##, and requests references to support the original claim.
  • A different participant suggests that the use of delta functions may be misapplied and provides an alternative calculation for the Fourier transform of a simplified signal, indicating that the resulting expression behaves differently as frequency approaches the oscillation frequency.
  • This same participant also notes that their calculation shows the noise component to be independent of time, leading to an SNR that scales as ##A^2 T##.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how the SNR scales with integration time, with no consensus reached on the correct relationship. The discussion includes competing interpretations of the mathematical framework involved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the behavior of noise and the application of delta functions in the context of Fourier transforms. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of the mathematical results presented.

Mishra
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Hello,

I am trying to find an expression for the signal-to-noise ratio of an oscillating signal on top some white noise. In particular I would like to know how the SNR scales with the integration time. It is well known that during some integration time ##T##, the SNR increases as ##T^{1/2}## (because the noise increases as ##T^{1/2}## and the signal increases at ##T##). I am trying to prove this with, my limited skills in maths, using the power spectral density formalism.

The integration time is ##T##. I assume some signal: ##x(t)=A \sin(2 \pi \omega_0 t)## on top of some white noise of power spectral density ##S##. I am guessing that I should compare the power spectral density of the noise vs signal:
$$P(f)=X(f)^2$$
where ##X(f)## is the truncated Fourier transform:
$$X(f)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{T}}\int_0 ^{T} x(t) e^{-i \omega t} dt$$
In the limit where ##T## is large, the integral is a Fourier tranform, yielding a delta function:
$$X(f)=\frac{A}{\sqrt{T}} \delta (\omega - \omega_0)$$
Ence:
$$P(f)=\frac{A^2}{ T } \delta (\omega - \omega_0)$$
$$P(f_0)=\frac{A^2}{ T }$$

Here I have that the power spectral density at the oscillation frequency decreases linearly in time. Can someone explain me where my misunderstanding is please ?
 
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Mishra said:
the noise increases as T1/2
It can be that my memory is playing trick in my head but as I recall the white noise variance in frequency domain increases as ##T^3##. So, do you have any reference that states what you wrote there?
 
I think the issue is that you are playing fast and loose with delta functions. The integral is simple enough that you may as well just do it. If I do a simplified case of ##x(t) = A e^{i\omega_0 t}## and let t run from -T/2 to T/2, then
$$
X(\omega) = \frac{A}{\sqrt{T}} \int_{-T/2}^{T/2} dt \, e^{i(\omega_0-\omega)t} = A \sqrt{T} \left[\frac{\sin\left(\frac{1}{2} T (\omega-\omega_0) \right)}{\frac{1}{2} T (\omega-\omega_0)} \right]
$$
The term in square brackets is a very nice number when ##\omega\rightarrow\omega_0##.

jason
 
By the way, for the noise I get ##\langle |X(\omega)|^2 \rangle## to be independent of time, so the SNR ##\propto A^2 T##, as I would expect. You should do the calculation.

Jason
 

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